where on earth disappears the oil?


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Alemayehu
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where on earth disappears the oil?

Postby Alemayehu » Thu Dec 17, 2015 4:20 pm



I am very blessed and fortune to get this web site which makes me so proud and DIY for my bikes.I have done a lot of jobs for my 1983 gold wing gl 1100 the main jobs that I did was,change water pump,timing belt,radiator hose,cut the connector of the the three yellow wires of the stator and weld it properly,remove the rear wheel and chuck and clean then dress up with Moly 60 the drive shaft and the spline then put back again properly.I did remove the rear brake caliper clean every piece and put back again with new seals bleed the front and the rear brake fluid with mity vac the nasty old brownie fluid fill it with new one.Remove the starter motor and assemble it again with new parts. I put one can of sea foam in to the gas and traveled long distance of course I put half of the sea foam for full tank and the other half for the next fell up then after synchronize the carburetor and at the same time adjust the valve settings the intake and exhaust according the information that I got from here now the fuel consumption is unbelievable figure.Don't ask me how but I am very surprised.Oil and coolant change at the same time all these jobs that I am talking about was very scary for me before I dare to do it.Any way now I got different story I traveled 720 km recently and see the oil level through that glass window for the oil level but I see no oil at all I am wondered where on earth disappears the oil? It is burning,or where does it go or what happen to it?
The bike is not smoking,no leaks at all what so ever.The only blue smoke I see for a second is only when I start up the engine in the morning that is all the other 1987 gl 1200 Interstate does the same thing but it doesn't take any oil.I use 10W 40 oil.Do I need to use 20W 50 as some people suggest for this old machines or what are you going to say about it?
I need help, I know for sure there is an answer for such mystery some where some how in this site.
Thank you and God bless for your help.



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Re: where on earth disappears the oil?

Postby WingAdmin » Thu Dec 17, 2015 4:24 pm

Generally speaking, if you are not finding evidence of a leak (i.e. oily mess anywhere on the bike) then it is being burned. It takes a fair amount of oil to make a noticeable amount of blue smoke, so if it is burning just a small amount at a time, you likely wouldn't notice.

The most likely candidate for burning oil is valve stem seals - they get old and hard, and begin to allow oil to leak past and into the cylinders. If you're happy with just adding oil once in a while, it won't hurt it to let them leak this way. If the amount of oil you're losing becomes excessive, then it is time to fix the issue.

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Re: where on earth disappears the oil?

Postby Alemayehu » Thu Dec 17, 2015 4:29 pm

Thank you Wing Admin for quick reply I think you are online what do I have to do to fix the issue? Is there any how to article for this particular issue?
Thank you and God bless!

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Re: where on earth disappears the oil?

Postby littlebeaver » Thu Dec 17, 2015 6:02 pm

I would also suggest pulling your spark plugs to see if they have oil on them, sometimes it takes a little time for the oil to all settle down, so give it several minutes then check it again....

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Re: where on earth disappears the oil?

Postby blackomen » Thu Dec 17, 2015 6:38 pm

When you checked the oil was it on the center stand on level ground? I only ask since last time I checked mine it showed it was nearly empty until I noticed the lean angle of the bike. When I put it on the center stand there was a rock or something under one side. So I moved it a to a level spot and the oil level was fine.
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Re: where on earth disappears the oil?

Postby Alemayehu » Thu Dec 17, 2015 9:32 pm

The bike is in my garage where the level of the floor is 100% perfect for that matter but I will chuck the spark plug during the week end and back to you thank you all.
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Re: where on earth disappears the oil?

Postby Johnyy Smoke » Fri Dec 18, 2015 5:56 am

Make sure about the oil level, as it is very difficult to see anything thru that stupid window.
Drain and measure how much oil is actually in the bike, adding a little for the oil filter and see what you come up with.
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Re: where on earth disappears the oil?

Postby dingdong » Fri Dec 18, 2015 8:20 am

Question. Did you fill with a specific amount of oil (how much?) or just fill until you could see the oil in the sight glass? At this point I would refill to the line and check it again after the same number of miles. That is a lot of oil to just disappear.
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Re: where on earth disappears the oil?

Postby RBGERSON » Fri Dec 18, 2015 8:50 am

+1 FOR JOHNNY S.................
HAD LOTS OF GOLDWING 75-83
NOW INTO 1500'S..RIDING A 1998 SE

FAIR WINDS,
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Re: where on earth disappears the oil?

Postby Alemayehu » Sat Dec 19, 2015 5:03 pm

Thank you Jonney I have seen through that window as you said clearly no oil at all while it was standing on the center stand in my garage on flat level floor.I will do as you advice in the next couple of days and let every one knows.My question is if the worst comes worst what do I have to do? Is it simple to change the valve stem seals? At the end of the day Wing Admin suggest to fix the issue If the amount of oil I am losing becomes excessive, then it is time to fix the issue.

Thank you and God bless!

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Re: where on earth disappears the oil?

Postby Alemayehu » Sun Dec 20, 2015 7:06 pm

Hi every one there was only 2 lt in the engine when I drain it to measure what do you suggest?So sad no one around who can help or fix Gold Wing in the place where I live.
Thank you and I would appreciate for your help!

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Re: where on earth disappears the oil?

Postby CaNorseman » Sun Dec 20, 2015 7:32 pm

I bought a 91 gl1500. I started the service and maintenance and found an extra Quart and half on the drain. I suspect PO couldn't get it on the center stand and over filled.

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Re: where on earth disappears the oil?

Postby CaNorseman » Sun Dec 20, 2015 7:45 pm

Valve stem seal will require at least the tools and knowledge of engine rebuilding. If you can maintain the service schedule is not enough. If you insist on doing it yourself, read up alot. The worst is that you end up taking the head off and setting the valves again. I need to this to my gl1000 and have waited for the last option to arrive

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Re: where on earth disappears the oil?

Postby Johnyy Smoke » Mon Dec 21, 2015 5:44 am

Post some pics of the spark plugs-are they black with oil?
You can learn a lot from the lowly spark plug :geek: !
Did you change the oil yourself and know for sure exactly how much was in there to begin with? My 1980 takes 3.5 quarts.
That's a lot of oil to disappear, so its got to be leaving a trail some were.
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Re: where on earth disappears the oil?

Postby dingdong » Mon Dec 21, 2015 8:20 am

Since you just drained and measured the oil that drained out you need to add the "CORRECT" amount of oil and continue to ride and keep an eye on the oil level. I say again, that is a lot of oil to burn in such a short period. Even if you have bad valve seals you aren't going to burn that much oil. Something isn't adding up here.
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Re: where on earth disappears the oil?

Postby CaNorseman » Mon Dec 21, 2015 3:03 pm

I recommend getting the Clymers service and maintenance manual for your bike if you don't already have one. I was able to change belts,fluids,water pump and ignition parts. The how to articles on this site have also been a great source of information.

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Re: where on earth disappears the oil?

Postby Alemayehu » Fri Dec 25, 2015 3:02 am

Thank you for your information yes I did top up to the correct level of oil and planning to ride it soon to the country on my day off at least for a couple of hundred km and see what is going to happen.I spent a lot and do have a lot of memories love to keep the bike as much as I could. Any way I will let you know what I come up with.
Thank you again and God bless!




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