Starting problem


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Starting problem

Postby Cornbread » Sun Feb 14, 2016 4:51 pm



I have a 1980 GL1100 gold wing it was starting fine then one afternoon I went to start it and it turned over fine I let off starter button to apply choke and now all it does is click you can hold the solenoid and feel it clicking so I was told to buy a new one which I did and have already replaced the battery still just clicks I'm just a shade tree mech on motorcycles so any advice appreciated getting plenty on fire to starter seems like something simple since it was working fine one second and not the next would the starter go out that quick



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Re: Starting problem

Postby robb » Sun Feb 14, 2016 9:01 pm

Check kill switch, could be stuck. Have you took a volt reading, new battery without proper charge can turn over but not crank. Try jumping off with car before tearing in.

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Re: Starting problem

Postby bntyhntr6975 » Sun Feb 14, 2016 11:44 pm

The starters are a weak spot, and a very poor design. Normally, the power contact gets broke when the cable gets removed/put back on, the terminal likes to twist.
I cannot remember exactly how mine (and another I worked on) acted when this happened, its been a few years. But yes, it could possibly be the culprit. (Be gentle with those bolts if you need to replace the unit, they break real easy. And a PITA when one breaks off. Trust me.)
Since it was fine 1 minute and not the next, leads me to assume starter if fine, but no promises. Double check all connections. If 1 is dirty or loose, it will do exactly as you described.

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Re: Starting problem

Postby dingdong » Mon Feb 15, 2016 8:07 am

Take a screwdriver and short across the large studs of the solenoid. This will apply power direct to the starter. If the starter spins then it is the solenoid. If not it is the starter.
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Re: Starting problem

Postby Cornbread » Mon Feb 15, 2016 9:46 am

When I jump across the solenoid nothing no spark or anything but when I hit the starter button plenty of fire at starter just don't turn over just a click at solenoid

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Re: Starting problem

Postby dingdong » Mon Feb 15, 2016 11:39 am

You are confusing me. When you say plenty of fire at starter when you hit start button. Does that mean the solenoid is getting voltage and is clicking??? Or is there voltage at the starter from the solenoid and it's not spinning. Two different things. Have you checked for voltage at the starter itself??? On the starter power wire stud that comes from the solenoid??? One thing for certain. If nothing happens when you short across the solenoid terminals then the starter is probably defective. (Unless you have it wired incorrectly).
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Re: Starting problem

Postby Cornbread » Mon Feb 15, 2016 12:11 pm

Yes the solenoid clicks when you push starter button but starter does nothing if you try to jump across the solenoid nothing happens no spark or anything if you hold the starter button down there is fire at the starter on the post I grounded a screwdriver accidentally and it melted the tip sorry for slow response I am working and can only reply when free time and thanks for any help

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Re: Starting problem

Postby Maz » Mon Feb 15, 2016 12:44 pm

If you're getting volts at the terminal on the starter motor but it's not spinning, then it's bad. Possibly just worn brushes. When shorting across solenoid posts with a screwdriver, you're not getting any sparks because the bad starter motor is not drawing any current.

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Re: Starting problem

Postby littlebeaver » Mon Feb 15, 2016 12:48 pm

If this was me, which it isn't but if it was, I'd remove the ground wire from the battery and trace it to the frame, I'd remove the bolt and clean the heck out of the connecting pieces to the frame... this is over looked a lot...I mean a lot.. It will only help everything if it's not the issue, it's ruling one problem out.. remove the starter and inspect it.. :D

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Re: Starting problem

Postby Clredmond622 » Tue Feb 16, 2016 8:02 pm

I had a similar problem not too long ago and it ended up being the starter. It was fine one minute then just clicked a few hours later. If you have jumper cables put one from the battery positive to starter terminal bolt and the other to ground from your battery negative, and if the starter doesn't spin then it's bad. You can get a new starter on Amazon or eBay for around 70$ if it does end up needing replaced. Also there's a great tutorial here for removing, cleaning, and replacing the starter as well.

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Re: Starting problem

Postby RBGERSON » Thu Feb 18, 2016 9:34 am

Turn petcock off..

First loosen or remove the plugs.if it's hydro locked the starter won't turn the engine and you could bend a rod. If you get it to turn over below and gas shots out of the plugs holes= hydrolock. Have the stop switch on stop or a spark could ignite the gas in the cylinder as it shoots out..or remove the spark plugs so they can't spark.

Next jump the starter from a known good battery..like from a car..positive to the stud on the starter..neg to the bike frame or engine..just for a second or two. If it spins move on to the battery.

With a meter on the battery hit the start button with the key on..if volts drop below 10 that's not good and won't turn the starter. bad battery..have it load tested at a battery shop??

Next key on..jump the two big studs on the solenoid..use an old screw drive you don't like or an old battery cable..if that works bad solenoid or wiring to it..could be corroded neg ground, start switch issue, wires to the solenoid..use a meter to ID the location of the issue.
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Re: Starting problem

Postby littlebeaver » Thu Feb 18, 2016 6:20 pm

that is some mighty sound advice I'd say... :D

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Re: Starting problem

Postby Cornbread » Fri Feb 19, 2016 8:57 pm

If it is hydro locked wouldn't you still get fire when you jump across the solenoid I get nothing there but I know fire is going to starter I accidentally grounded post on starter and melted tip off screwdriver

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Re: Starting problem

Postby Maz » Sat Feb 20, 2016 2:47 am

Yes you would, IF the starter is drawing current. However, if starter is defective, it is not drawing current so no sparks across solenoid posts when you short them.
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