Restarting when warm


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Restarting when warm

Postby lhelber » Sun Aug 01, 2010 4:34 pm



I have an 83 Aspencade that runs real nice going down the highway. When cold she starts right up with just a touch of the starter. The problem I have is after riding for a while and I stop to take a break it takes a little more cranking on the starter to get her to catch. Once started she runs fine. Does this indicate anything to anyone?



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Re: Restarting when warm

Postby RBGERSON » Mon Aug 02, 2010 7:41 am

starter needs cleaning? Coils not functioning as they should when hot?
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Re: Restarting when warm

Postby lhelber » Mon Aug 02, 2010 4:45 pm

No the starter is fine. The motor cranks over without a problem (it was replaced last year). It just doesn't fire up until I crank it a little more and maybe give it a little throttle.

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Re: Restarting when warm

Postby mortiki » Tue Aug 03, 2010 10:30 pm

seafoam it. That will clean carbs out and help with starting.
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Re: Restarting when warm

Postby lhelber » Wed Aug 04, 2010 12:42 pm

Yes, I was thinking I should maybe do this again. I did it a few months back and didn't notice much of a difference but it may need a couple of treatments to get everything disolved.

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Re: Restarting when warm

Postby mortiki » Wed Aug 04, 2010 9:05 pm

Another thing to check is choke cable. With choke all the way in feel of the cable exposed above the carb and see if it has a slack feeling or is it tight. If tight it is keeping choke on all the time. I think seafoam will do more towards helping but may take 2 or 3 tanks to notice it.
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Re: Restarting when warm

Postby snowy.vtwin » Thu Aug 05, 2010 1:47 pm

I occasionally have the same situation, seems like on the hotter days. If it doesn't start with one touch of the button I just give a little throttle and it roars to life. I have run 16oz of sea foam thru it and haven't noticed much difference in the way it runs, but I have no complaints on how it runs other than a low speed gurgling which I will address by checking the carb sync one of these days.

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Re: Restarting when warm

Postby RoadRogue » Wed Aug 11, 2010 1:23 am

mine does that too,worse on hot days, I just blip the throttle and she lights right up
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Re: Restarting when warm

Postby lhelber » Wed Aug 11, 2010 8:45 am

Normal operation is starting to be the consensus. I was going to check the choke cable but health has been getting in the way. I did a tune up about a month ago and the plugs came out looking really good. So I don't think it is running rich like it would if the choke was partially closed.

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Re: Restarting when warm

Postby N2PPN » Fri Sep 10, 2010 9:18 pm

Back in the old days when I would run out to the north fork of Long Island (about a 100 mile run one way)on a hot summer day for some drinks and an eventual dinner with my riding buddy (he's the guy who took that picture of me on my bike on Jones Beach in my avatar) when we would jump back on the bikes to go to the next bar or restaurant I would occasionally get what I referred to as "Cadillac Syndrome"... which was a protracted effort laden attempt of the starter to turn over the engine... I wish I could describe the sound, but old Cadillacs would do this in hot weather when you would try to restart them while the engine was hot, kind of a slooow motion starting of the engine.... hence the name "Cadillac Syndrome"... I think it was a combination of weak starter/battery and vapor-lock...

As far as a more extensive amount of cranking when hot as opposed to cold, since the gas in the bowls is already warm from riding, and now has been heated further by sitting just above a hot engine, I could guess that some or most of it may have evaporated out and the extra cranks are required to refill the bowls to sufficient levels as to allow the carbs to do their job... when I would ride in cooler/cold weather (coldest I ever rode was minus 4 degrees and had to put cardboard in front of the radiator to get the temp gauge to even move a tiny bit) I noticed the restart was the same as when the bike was first started in the morning, one crank and off she went, no more than a real quick press of the starter button..

In cases like this I try to follow the 24 hour rule... "wait 24 hours and see if the symptom still exists" if it does, and all things are the same, try changing one variable at a time until you find the one that aggravates or cures the symptom, engine temp being one of them first to be tried. (try running the bike and parking it with a fan on the engine in the garage, or make note of the ambient temperature of the day when you ride and then wait for a cooler/hotter day and see if it gets better or worse.)

Hope my ramblings haven't left you too sleepy...


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Re: Restarting when warm

Postby lhelber » Fri Sep 10, 2010 10:14 pm

Now that we are starting to enter cooler temps (at least we are up here in NY) I am going to see how it goes. I always got the reset over night. We will have to see if the problem persists during the fall too. I had noticed it was getting worse as the summer went along and that is why I posted it here. If problem get less worse this fall then I will know something more. If it is heat related then I am not sure what can be done. I know the battery and starter is fine. The motor spins over at normal speeds, it just takes longer to fire up as the day goes on.




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