Tricky timing belt issue GL 1100 HELP


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Tricky timing belt issue GL 1100 HELP

Postby processing » Wed Mar 09, 2016 9:24 am



Hi everyone. I'm changing my timing belt and my marks "UP" are not really up to start with. (The bike runbefore, not perfect - little valve noise but ok....)When I took the timing belts off BOTH cam shaft pulleys moved - turned by aprox. 4 Degrees to the inside of the bike - thanks to the depressed intake valves on cyl. 2 and 3. But when I try to put the left cam pully back to "UP" i feel rather strong - resistance. I am affraid that I may be hitting the piston? ANyone know exact positions of cylinders when turnign the flywheel to T1 and T2? What distrubs me that youtube videos - time belt changes on gl 1100 their camshaft pulleys never moved!!! But they have to! They are against the valve spring pressure when in T1. Need desperately someone who can help me out here possibly talk me through it.
I am in Czech republic... 6 hours diffence. I am willing to skype anyone. PLEASE HELP, Peter



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Re: Tricky timing belt issue GL 1100 HELP

Postby redbug » Wed Mar 09, 2016 10:52 am

In the How-To Articles on your 1100 there is a how to on changing timing belts. Maybe all of your questions will be answered there.
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Re: Tricky timing belt issue GL 1100 HELP

Postby ekvh » Wed Mar 09, 2016 10:57 pm

You can lessen the movement by loosening the valve adjusters all the way off. You just have to adjust the valves when done, not a bad idea anyways. To make sure we're referring to the same cylinders, sitting on the bike, 1 is forward right, 2 is forward left, 3 is rear right, 4 is rear left. At T1 with pulleys "up" up, number one cylinder and two cylinder are tdc while 3+4 are bottom dead center. Both valves on #1 should be loose. It must be #3 that is rolling the left cam. You can use a 12mm wrench on the cam pulley bolt and zip tie, or wire it to keep the pulley from moving. I have always been able to rotate it by hand although not easily. Another way I haven't tried yet, but recently saw, was to place the wrench on the pulley bolt and use a prop between the fan shroud support and front frame. (above the pulley) You would need to shim the wrench out until it is lined up.

The 2-4 side doesn't move on mine. If it has, just roll it back. It should stay there.

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Re: Tricky timing belt issue GL 1100 HELP

Postby processing » Thu Mar 10, 2016 12:07 am

Thanks!!! I marked the cylinders with tape to make sure I dont messup the cylinders. BUT I just learned that I might have honda engine 1000 instead of 1100 in my wing! The cam pulley looks exactly like on gl 1000. The UP marks are slightly different.
I learned this here


This guy uses a piece of wood to keep the pulleys under tension....plus UP here is not 100% up as on gl 1100....I need to fing out if I really have different engine....
Strange but slowly moving forward....

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Re: Tricky timing belt issue GL 1100 HELP

Postby redial » Thu Mar 10, 2016 1:19 am

You can tell what engine you have by the number. Check the manual.
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Re: Tricky timing belt issue GL 1100 HELP

Postby processing » Thu Mar 10, 2016 2:49 am

Yes I ll check the number today....

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Re: Tricky timing belt issue GL 1100 HELP

Postby ekvh » Thu Mar 10, 2016 7:51 am

Pulleys were the same on 1100 and 1000, but some have the extra mark on them. OldFogey was saying the pulleys were also used on an auto engine for Honda and one mark is for that application. You can also tell if it's an 1100 by whether it has ignition off the back of the motor or off the back of the left cam.

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Re: Tricky timing belt issue GL 1100 HELP

Postby RBGERSON » Thu Mar 10, 2016 8:43 am

first..all others who are going to change their belts..MARK THE MAIN CRANK PULLEY BEFORE!!!! YOU TAKE THE BELTS OFF..so if things move you can put the main crank back to it's correct position..before you install the new belts.

Second the 1/3 pulley does have tension on it when at the correct T1 position for belt changing..you have to secure the pulley Before you pull the belts..well you should. yoiu can always correct for movement after but it's easier to secure first. A wrench tied to the frame will do or visa grip clamps..or ??? The trick is to put the new belt inside your clamping device so it can go right on while the old belt comes off.

Note you mention T2..you don't use T2 to do this..Once you set up T1 it stays and everything gets done at that setting.
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Re: Tricky timing belt issue GL 1100 HELP

Postby processing » Thu Mar 10, 2016 9:21 am

This is to ekvh . What dou you mean by whether it has ignition off the back of the motor or off the back of the left cam? Thanks sir.

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Re: Tricky timing belt issue GL 1100 HELP

Postby processing » Thu Mar 10, 2016 9:24 am

I agree with RBGERSON. I did mark the position of the crank shaft....luckyl me. I am going to install the radiator and see....

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Re: Tricky timing belt issue GL 1100 HELP

Postby processing » Thu Mar 10, 2016 9:25 am

BTW what is T2 for? I know F is for firing...

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Re: Tricky timing belt issue GL 1100 HELP

Postby processing » Thu Mar 10, 2016 9:28 am

Is there any web page or service to check my engine specs, year and manufacture based on my engine number.

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Re: Tricky timing belt issue GL 1100 HELP

Postby WingAdmin » Thu Mar 10, 2016 11:08 am

processing wrote:Is there any web page or service to check my engine specs, year and manufacture based on my engine number.

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Look at the left side of your engine. If it has one of these on the back side of the cam, with a wire hanging out of it, it is a GL1000 engine:

GL1000 Engine
GL1000 Engine


If it just has a flat plate there instead, it is a GL1100 engine:

GL1100 Engine
GL1100 Engine

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Re: Tricky timing belt issue GL 1100 HELP

Postby processing » Thu Mar 10, 2016 12:11 pm

Thank you ekvh sir. I got gl 1100 I am happy...:-)

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Re: Tricky timing belt issue GL 1100 HELP

Postby ekvh » Thu Mar 10, 2016 2:41 pm



Here is a pic of what you might see. Use the one with the arrow pointing to it. One is indented, the other is a bump.

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Re: Tricky timing belt issue GL 1100 HELP

Postby processing » Fri Mar 11, 2016 12:01 am

Yes I did that. I assumed that the arrow is somewhat importatn. BUt when you aling the arrow with the mark on the pulley cover the UP spike is not really perfectly up. The word UP is tilted. It does not sit on the pulley spike like on newer engines Iguess - that is completely perpendicualr to the spike. Mine up on the Right pulley/ when you sit on bike) is slightly towards the inside. Both ups are tilted towards the inside of the bike.

I gues that is correct.
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Re: Tricky timing belt issue GL 1100 HELP

Postby Old Fogey » Sun Mar 13, 2016 10:24 am

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Re: Tricky timing belt issue GL 1100 HELP

Postby processing » Tue Mar 29, 2016 7:52 am

Hello everybody
looks like I'll be working on my bike for quite some time. I changed the fuel filter to improve the idle, it did little bit I think. But when idling it goes from 2000 to 3000 RPMs or it goes below 2000 RPM and dies.. So it will not keep the idle steady at all. Other very serious thing I found out today is that when I ride and shift up and release the throttle quickly the RPMs will not go down for about 1.5 seconds, so when I press the clutch to shift up the engine kind of screams for two seconds and then I can shift up or down. Is my gas throttle stuck or something? But when I keep idling and revving the engine up the RPMs go back pretty quickly, sometimes too quickly that it dies. My clutch definitely needs adjustment too. Plus my front brake calipers keep stucking. I pulled them apart cleaned everything with fine sandpaper, the cylinders, changed the brake fluid but today they got stucked. I smelled the brake pads as it was very hot of course.
Anyone willing to help me out here?

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Re: Tricky timing belt issue GL 1100 HELP

Postby auctioneeral » Tue Mar 29, 2016 8:00 am

First carbs. Need cleaning . sounds like vacuum pistons in carbs are not sliding freely.
Front brakes . master cylinder as a tiny return hole in bottom of it that needs to be clean out.
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Re: Tricky timing belt issue GL 1100 HELP

Postby RBGERSON » Tue Mar 29, 2016 8:31 am

Yep, carbs..clogged idle jets and maybe sticking slides and could be a vacuum leak too..given teh variuous symptoms you listed..
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Re: Tricky timing belt issue GL 1100 HELP

Postby processing » Tue Mar 29, 2016 8:47 am

Thanks. Today ill do the master cylinder ... did not know about the return hole.... Carbs --- bit scary ..can i try seafoam before I ll pull the carbs aout?

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Re: Tricky timing belt issue GL 1100 HELP

Postby RBGERSON » Tue Mar 29, 2016 9:15 am

sure sea foam can't hurt anything but it may take a couple a tanks of gas to see results.

found a pic of the small hole front master

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Re: Tricky timing belt issue GL 1100 HELP

Postby processing » Tue Mar 29, 2016 12:29 pm

One more thing if i may. The galvanizing shop (hope thats how yousay it in english) lost my flywheel plug- screw cover- through wich you view the T1 mark got lost.. Does any one know what exactly type of thread the special screw has? diamter should be 25 mm, I tired 3 twenty five mm plugs with different thread pitch - no luck.. Thanks a milion.

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Re: Tricky timing belt issue GL 1100 HELP

Postby processing » Fri Apr 01, 2016 9:22 am

Hello everyone, I think I located the problem would my idle. Number three and four cylinder do not have fuel. I have sparks on all fours spark plugs (I checked) so that eliminates the number of possible problems down to the carburetor correct? Number 3 and 4 does not give me any fuel. Probably stuck jets and stuff. In my right? the important question I have is this. I had to done my timing belt replacement correctly. Is that right? otherwise I wouldn't be having such easy starts and rather smooth running the engine. even though it runs on two cylinders only.... by the way I fixed the stock front calipers by cleaning the tiny little hole. Thanks everyone.

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Re: Tricky timing belt issue GL 1100 HELP

Postby processing » Fri Apr 01, 2016 9:27 am

Hey I use dictating software ..sorry for the typos...not my fault :D




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