Shifting Issue - NEW PROBLEM


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Shifting Issue - NEW PROBLEM

Postby chrissvitak » Fri Mar 25, 2016 1:23 pm



Hi everyone -
I have a 1983 GL1100i. When the bike is cold (cool) it shifts through gears and goes into neutral very easily...like it should. However, once it warms up, say after driving it for a short while, it starts to become very difficult to up shift to higher gears (3-5) and darn near impossible to shift into neutral.

I have also noticed that sitting at a stop light in first gear, the bike seems to want to creep forward a little but not always.

I have changed the clutch cable thinking it was just wearing and this did not help. Any ideas would be very greatful.

Chris


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Re: Shifting Issue - NEW PROBLEM

Postby Maz » Sat Mar 26, 2016 2:09 am

This sounds like classic clutch drag. The clutch is not fully disengaging when you pull the lever. Try adjusting the mechanism under the small round cover at rear of engine, where the cable attaches. It's a pig to get to though! You need to loosen the locknut, then turn the centre screwed in until you feel resistance, then back it off a 1/4 turn. Hold the screw in position while tightening the nut. Should be good to go.
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Re: Shifting Issue - NEW PROBLEM

Postby Johnyy Smoke » Sat Mar 26, 2016 3:07 am

Or try 1/2 can of sea foam, ride it easy for an hour or so and see what happens.
Drain same amount of oil first, then add sea foam. Regards, Johnny

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Re: Shifting Issue - NEW PROBLEM

Postby Overdog » Sat Mar 26, 2016 7:17 am

Maz wrote:This sounds like classic clutch drag. The clutch is not fully disengaging when you pull the lever. Try adjusting the mechanism under the small round cover at rear of engine, where the cable attaches. It's a pig to get to though! You need to loosen the locknut, then turn the centre screwed in until you feel resistance, then back it off a 1/4 turn. Hold the screw in position while tightening the nut. Should be good to go.
Maz



The 83 does not have that type of clutch cover....no adjustment possible other than each end of the cable

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Re: Shifting Issue - NEW PROBLEM

Postby 4wred » Sat Mar 26, 2016 7:34 am

Try bleeding clutch slave and master first,Is there fluid in the reservoir? If low you may have a leak somewhere. You may have to rebuild master and or slave cylinders.

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Re: Shifting Issue - NEW PROBLEM

Postby Maz » Sat Mar 26, 2016 8:45 am

Overdog wrote:
Maz wrote:This sounds like classic clutch drag. The clutch is not fully disengaging when you pull the lever. Try adjusting the mechanism under the small round cover at rear of engine, where the cable attaches. It's a pig to get to though! You need to loosen the locknut, then turn the centre screwed in until you feel resistance, then back it off a 1/4 turn. Hold the screw in position while tightening the nut. Should be good to go.
Maz



The 83 does not have that type of clutch cover....no adjustment possible other than each end of the cable


D'OH!! Wrong year. I stand corrected.......as the man wearing orthopaedic shoes said!!

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Re: Shifting Issue - NEW PROBLEM

Postby redbug » Sat Mar 26, 2016 9:41 am

4wred wrote:Try bleeding clutch slave and master first,Is there fluid in the reservoir? If low you may have a leak somewhere. You may have to rebuild master and or slave cylinders.

83s had hydraulics also?
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Re: Shifting Issue - NEW PROBLEM

Postby chrissvitak » Sat Mar 26, 2016 9:48 am

OK - I will try the Seafoam first as it sounds simplest and most inexpensive. On another note, I also noticed that if I turn the engine off (no matter how warm it is) it will shift into neutral easily and run through all of the gears with no problem.

I'll keep you posted.....

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Re: Shifting Issue - NEW PROBLEM

Postby 4wred » Sat Mar 26, 2016 9:58 am

redbug wrote:
4wred wrote:Try bleeding clutch slave and master first,Is there fluid in the reservoir? If low you may have a leak somewhere. You may have to rebuild master and or slave cylinders.

83s had hydraulics also?


OOPS I thought the 83 had hydro clutch,if not what was the first year for hydro??

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Re: Shifting Issue - NEW PROBLEM

Postby redbug » Sat Mar 26, 2016 10:08 am

4wred wrote:
redbug wrote:
4wred wrote:Try bleeding clutch slave and master first,Is there fluid in the reservoir? If low you may have a leak somewhere. You may have to rebuild master and or slave cylinders.

83s had hydraulics also?


OOPS I thought the 83 had hydro clutch,if not what was the first year for hydro??


My understanding is the 84 was the first hydro, and that year only ,you could use the hydro parts on a 83 or earlier, I.E. clutch cover and slave and master cyl. if you wanted to convert.
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Re: Shifting Issue - NEW PROBLEM

Postby Maz » Sat Mar 26, 2016 10:22 am

chrissvitak wrote:OK - I will try the Seafoam first as it sounds simplest and most inexpensive. On another note, I also noticed that if I turn the engine off (no matter how warm it is) it will shift into neutral easily and run through all of the gears with no problem.

I'll keep you posted.....

Chris


This is definitely a symptom of clutch drag. Basically, the plates aren't separating enough. Ignore my comment above about adjusting the pushrod at the clutch end (cos we've established that your bike doesn't have one :oops: ), run the seafoam through and check the cable adjustment to ensure minimal free play.

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Re: Shifting Issue - NEW PROBLEM

Postby roadwanderer2 » Sat Mar 26, 2016 7:00 pm

here's something you can try........at the top of the cable where it goes into the clutch perch, there is a round wheel, its called the cable adjuster, you can also make an adjustment by loosening the locking adjuster nut, and turn the cable adjuster so the adjuster moves back from the lever perch. don't let that adjustment wheel come all the way out of the perch housing, just enough to see if that helps. when you have that re-adjusted, turn the lock nut up against the perch housing, turn the motor on and see if that stops your bike from creeping forward. you might notice some more free play in the clutch lever. if the free play is to much, turn the wheel back inward. CAUTION: you will have a different feeling in the clutch lever once you've reset that cable. get used to it first. if all else fails, you might need to replace the friction plates inside the clutch basket.

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Re: Shifting Issue - NEW PROBLEM

Postby WingAdmin » Wed Apr 06, 2016 4:07 pm

Something else you can look at - if you recently changed your water pump and had the front engine cover off, the clearance of the shifter mechanism to the inside of the engine cover is EXTREMELY tight - a few thousandths of an inch. If you use an aftermarket gasket that is too thin (i.e. Saber Cycle), the shifter mechanism will bind up on the inside of the cover - sometimes as soon as it is installed, sometimes only when the bike heats up and things expand.




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