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Goldwing starting issues

Postby rodeojoe » Sun Apr 24, 2016 7:10 pm



I finally found the bike my grandpa had. 83 gl1100 i put a new battery in it put a f150 solenoid on it. And still all its doing is clicking. Need some help



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Goldwing starting issues

Postby rodeojoe » Sun Apr 24, 2016 7:33 pm

I have a 83 gl1100 i put new baterry in change solenoid to f150 solenid. And its still just clicking. What to do

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Re: Goldwing starting issues

Postby maintainer » Mon Apr 25, 2016 9:51 am

Put bike in neutral, key switch on, kill switch off, using a screwdriver short the two large poles of the solenoid together (it will spark some). This should send power to the starter directly (omitting a possible bad solenoid) and turn the engine over. Also if this doesn't spin the engine over check the inline "dogbone fuse" these also cause this. Maybe check this first actually.
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Re: Goldwing starting issues

Postby virgilmobile » Mon Apr 25, 2016 10:03 am

Be aware of "Hydrolock".
One cylinder can have enough fuel in it to lock the engine solid.
If this condition exists,you will be led to believe the starter is bad.
I do suggest first....Verify the engine will turn over..5th gear and turning the rear wheel is easiest.
You can also pull all 4 plugs and try.
Please " kill" the spark with the kill switch.

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Re: Goldwing starting issues

Postby bustedwing » Mon Apr 25, 2016 3:51 pm

usually if your battery is Fully charged ( which new ones are not) and if you are still getting at least 12 volts to the relay (using a tester) then the relay is bad. But, most of the time, the battery voltage is below 11 volts which is too low for anything to work and the only way to check this is with an accurate volt meter. You can try to put your battery on a slow charge overnight, that would top it off if it was low. But you still need to know what voltage is getting to the starter relay. If it's low, the starter will not work. At that point you could have corrosion in the cables or bad connections. I hope this helps. Let us know if you still need help.
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Re: Goldwing starting issues

Postby lusthawk » Mon Apr 25, 2016 3:53 pm

Hey RodeoJoe....

I would try reworking your grounds....trace the ground line from the battery to where it attaches - either to the frame, the engine, or both. Take them off and use some sandpaper to insure they are totally clean - then re-attach with some di-electric grease. Then do the same with the positive lines as well (but make sure the negative lead is disconnected at the battery when you do).
Hope that helps

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Re: Goldwing starting issues

Postby virgilmobile » Mon Apr 25, 2016 4:02 pm

I thought my starter/battery/solenoid was bad..Would only click...
Turned out the engine was Hydrolocked.
Pull all 4 plugs..
PLEASE Kill the spark(kill switch OFF)...bump the start button...Be aware...if there is fuel in a cylinder,it can be ejected 20 feet from the bike.

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Re: Goldwing starting issues

Postby rodeojoe » Mon Apr 25, 2016 5:43 pm

When i put the f150 solenoid in a put the new 30amp in line blade fuse in unless theirs another dog bone im not aware of . But i just got ro my garge so im a try the hydro lock to make sure it aint

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Re: Goldwing starting issues

Postby Fatwing Chris » Mon Apr 25, 2016 5:47 pm

lusthawk wrote:Hey RodeoJoe....

I would try reworking your grounds....trace the ground line from the battery to where it attaches - either to the frame, the engine, or both. Take them off and use some sandpaper to insure they are totally clean - then re-attach with some di-electric grease. Then do the same with the positive lines as well (but make sure the negative lead is disconnected at the battery when you do).
Hope that helps


Nice to see someone mention the ground side of the circuit first.Usually people ignore the ground side altogether.
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Re: Goldwing starting issues

Postby rodeojoe » Mon Apr 25, 2016 5:49 pm

Ok got it up on stand in 5th should it be hard to turn the rear wheel

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Re: Goldwing starting issues

Postby rodeojoe » Mon Apr 25, 2016 6:36 pm

Its took me 12yrs to find this bike it belongd to my grandpa he sold it when his health started going down hill.
Could this be it neg is croded real bad
Could this be it neg is croded real bad

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Re: Goldwing starting issues

Postby maintainer » Mon Apr 25, 2016 6:55 pm

rodeojoe wrote:Ok got it up on stand in 5th should it be hard to turn the rear wheel


Depends,
it may be somewhat hard for you but not feel solid.
I think virginmobile could be on to something with his hydrolock suspicion.

To be safe:

1.Pull all four sparkplugs out,
2.turn the kill switch to the off position,
3.turn the key switch on and hit the starter button or try to spin the rear wheel in 5th again.

If fuel spurts out the sparkplug hole when you do this it was hydrolocked
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Re: Goldwing starting issues

Postby lusthawk » Mon Apr 25, 2016 7:10 pm

In the Trike shop I work at, I have solved more electrical issues by reworking/inspecting the grounds than any other repair method.
Sometimes that is tough to do though...GL1800's have two major ground points (G1 and G2 in the schematic) - one is easy to get to but the other is a bear - it's under the fuel tank. But with a little patience you can get to it to clean it up.
So let's hope your problem is solved by replacing the bad ground line.

Now if I could just figure out this issue with 2001 speedometers, maybe I will stop wearing holes in my rug (from pacing in deep thought...lol)

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Re: Goldwing starting issues

Postby rodeojoe » Mon Apr 25, 2016 7:32 pm

lusthawk wrote:In the Trike shop I work at, I have solved more electrical issues by reworking/inspecting the grounds than any other repair method.
Sometimes that is tough to do though...GL1800's have two major ground points (G1 and G2 in the schematic) - one is easy to get to but the other is a bear - it's under the fuel tank. But with a little patience you can get to it to clean it up.
So let's hope your problem is solved by replacing the bad ground line.

Now if I could just figure out this issue with 2001 speedometers, maybe I will stop wearing holes in my rug (from pacing in deep thought...lol)



Ok so i replaced the neg wire that still didnt do nothing still clicking

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Re: Goldwing starting issues

Postby rodeojoe » Mon Apr 25, 2016 8:07 pm

Ok so i also replaced the ground cable it was pretty bad i dont even think coke would of cleaned it. When i had it up on the stand i could turn it but it had alot of preasure i got 2 spark plugs out ima work the others out tommorow . But what you said earlier bout jumpn the big terminals i dont get any spark but i can cross under the small one and big one and it sparks? And what causes vapor lock

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Re: Goldwing starting issues

Postby lusthawk » Mon Apr 25, 2016 8:33 pm

Rats...sorry to hear that...ok then...if you have a voltmeter, follow the positive lead to the solenoid assembly - check the voltage going into the solenoid...then check the voltage coming out of the solenoid when u press start(on the starter side of the solenoid).
Did all the other connections get cleaned up? Also check the voltage drop when you press the starter button (on the starter side of the solenoid). If you get good voltage all the way to the starter, then the starter is suspect.

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Re: Goldwing starting issues

Postby 4wred » Tue Apr 26, 2016 6:42 am

"And what causes vapor lock?"

I think you are referring to hydro-lock. This happens when your cylinders fill up with gas from leaking carbs,and then you can't turn the engine over.If it does turn over you can do serious damage to the engine.Take your plugs out before trying to turn over the engine.If there's gas in the cylinders and you get the engine to turn it will shoot gas out the plug holes.
Are you sure the piston rings aren't just seized in the cylinders??

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Re: Goldwing starting issues

Postby rodeojoe » Tue Apr 26, 2016 7:16 pm

Back to the drawing board took plugs out and spun the tire in 5th still all its doing is clicking the starter is not turning over at all.

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Re: Goldwing starting issues

Postby maintainer » Tue Apr 26, 2016 7:35 pm

rodeojoe wrote:Back to the drawing board took plugs out and spun the tire in 5th still all its doing is clicking the starter is not turning over at all.


Make sure you have that ford solenoid wired correctly. If it's wired right you should be able to jump the terminals and spin the starter. I used start my old ford from under the hood this way. If that doesn't spin the starter, an old school trick is pull the rubber boot back on the starter cable connection itself, connect set of jumper cables from positive on battery, briefly touch the starter cable terminal. If that doesn't make the starter jump, it is bad.
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Re: Goldwing starting issues

Postby rodeojoe » Tue Apr 26, 2016 7:52 pm

I still start my ford that way till i figured out it was the clutch saftey switch. Im geting 11.47 on volt meter is that even enough on these old bikes to start it?

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Re: Goldwing starting issues

Postby rodeojoe » Tue Apr 26, 2016 8:42 pm

lusthawk wrote:Rats...sorry to hear that...ok then...if you have a voltmeter, follow the positive lead to the solenoid assembly - check the voltage going into the solenoid...then check the voltage coming out of the solenoid when u press start(on the starter side of the solenoid).
Did all the other connections get cleaned up? Also check the voltage drop when you press the starter button (on the starter side of the solenoid). If you get good voltage all the way to the starter, then the starter is suspect.



Ok its the starter . I ran a volt meter its got constant volt right at 11.43 i dont know if its enough to start it. But i put jumper cables to a battery and to starter and it didnt spin. But i finally got it to spin a tad when i hit the starter with a hammer. So can i just take the starter out or do i have to pull the whole motor out to get it out?

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Re: Goldwing starting issues

Postby virgilmobile » Wed Apr 27, 2016 5:37 am

Engine stays in.When you remove the cable, use a thin 10mm wrench to hold the but steady that's close to the starter body.You do not want that stud to turn at all.




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