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No Electrical Power

Postby stevenstrack » Fri Aug 26, 2016 6:22 am



So last time rode bike was running good was March time frame, came back from work trip in May and was going to go for ride, bike started then just died. I jumped the battery from my jeep and she ran until I removed cables, this was back in May. I Haven't had much time to work on until now, yesterday I tried to find out what was going on. No Joy. I bought a new battery think it was the problem, tried to start and got nothing, no click, no lights on console. Tried to investigate, took power lead off starter and cleaned contact. Pulled seat, tank, trying to trace or attempt to find out why I couldn't get power to the console, seemed like I was getting 10-11 volts to my accessory terminal but not enough power to light up the console. I left battery on a trickle charger over night and this morning I have 10.97 Volts. I had no lights yesterday going to cluster but this morning I have enough juice for the relay to click and I now have enough juice to light up the console.

I replaced the starter about 2 years ago along with the solenoid/relay switch next to battery. I now have a new battery, I just bought a relay off eBay this morning hoping that may be the problem. Going to investigate now a little more seeing that I now have lights going to console. I hope it's not the starter as I an remember it was a little pain to install.

Going to see if I have juice to starter, when I engage the starter button.
May need some expert advice!



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Re: No Electrical Power

Postby stevenstrack » Fri Aug 26, 2016 6:34 am

So I have very weak power going to starter. The voltage light tester is very dim, and relays just clicks. Does not appear to be sending enough cranking amps to starter. Battery lights up fine, getting 10.56 volts. I realize this is not 12 but it is a new battery. I actually bought battery new in June and it was hooked up, think my radio drained it down past two months. And if it was the battery shouldn't I be able to jump it from my jeep battery?

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Re: No Electrical Power

Postby Maz » Fri Aug 26, 2016 6:43 am

stevenstrack wrote:So I have very weak power going to starter. The voltage light tester is very dim, and relays just clicks. Does not appear to be sending enough cranking amps to starter. Battery lights up fine, getting 10.56 volts. I realize this is not 12 but it is a new battery. I actually bought battery new in June and it was hooked up, think my radio drained it down past two months. And if it was the battery shouldn't I be able to jump it from my jeep battery?


Sounds like your main ground from the battery -ve terminal has gone bad. Trace the thick black wire from Battery to where it bolts to the frame and clean/tighten bolt and frame. As a test, take a single jump lead and connect one end to battery -ve (black) and the other to a decent ground on frame or motor and then see what you got.

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Re: No Electrical Power

Postby stevenstrack » Fri Aug 26, 2016 7:07 am

I just attempted to unbolt the ground, put my engine support stand under and broke bolt loose but thinking it may have stripped out, not loosening or tightening now! Do you know if there is a helicoil insert at this location that may have just spun when trying to break loose? Any ways I'm going to try and run another external ground to another location. Will let you know what happens.

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Re: No Electrical Power

Postby Maz » Fri Aug 26, 2016 7:20 am

stevenstrack wrote:I just attempted to unbolt the ground, put my engine support stand under and broke bolt loose but thinking it may have stripped out, not loosening or tightening now! Do you know if there is a helicoil insert at this location that may have just spun when trying to break loose? Any ways I'm going to try and run another external ground to another location. Will let you know what happens.


If I remember correctly, that bolt is very long and goes right through to the other side of the motor, where there is a nut on it. I may be thinking of one of my other Hondas, though! I'm nowhere near my 'Wing at the moment so I can't check.

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Re: No Electrical Power

Postby skier » Fri Aug 26, 2016 8:02 am

That bolt goes through to the right side, and is held in place with a nut. The ground cable can be repositioned to another location if necessary.

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Re: No Electrical Power

Postby Maz » Fri Aug 26, 2016 8:10 am

skier wrote:That bolt goes through to the right side, and is held in place with a nut. The ground cable can be repositioned to another location if necessary.


Thanks for confirming that...I was desperately trying to remember if I was thinking of my CB500T, CB750L or the 'Wing!
Come to think of it, they're probably all the same!!
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Re: No Electrical Power

Postby stevenstrack » Fri Aug 26, 2016 10:53 am

Is it possible that i fried the starter if I jumped the bike with my Jeep running?

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Re: No Electrical Power

Postby stevenstrack » Fri Aug 26, 2016 2:53 pm

So just finished removing and inspecting starter, I don't see any other issue other than its the starter I put in a year or two ago (Taiwan). Cleaned it and greased reassembled and installed. Still no joy, looks like I'm only getting 2-4 Volts when I engage the starter switch, relay just clicks. I also put a 30 amp fuse in the relay. Exhausted and drenched in East Coast sweat. Only thing I can think is that relay not delivering enough current. Any thoughts?

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Re: No Electrical Power

Postby WingAdmin » Tue Aug 30, 2016 8:36 pm

What is the voltage at the battery terminals doing when you hit the starter switch?

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Re: No Electrical Power

Postby stevenstrack » Wed Aug 31, 2016 4:25 am

I did not put battery tender on it overnight and think I may have got a defective battery from Auto Zone.
Reading before turning on power was 9.4, power on and switch engaged 8.0

Turned off power 8.8
Switch on 7.5 and appears to keep dropping voltage

No click at all like I had gotten with fresh battery. I don't understand why jumping from my jeep battery that it would fry the relay, I know I heard a pop noise when I tried this, but the fuse did not blow.

So I think I'm looking at minimum a new battery and I guess another relay, just don't know if something else is wrong.

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Re: No Electrical Power

Postby RBGERSON » Wed Aug 31, 2016 8:12 am

Yep bad battery you need 12+ to start and not less than 10 when you crank her.


HAD LOTS OF GOLDWING 75-83
NOW INTO 1500'S..RIDING A 1998 SE

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