1100 I Speedo smokes.


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DUCKTOO
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1100 I Speedo smokes.

Postby DUCKTOO » Sun Oct 02, 2016 5:09 pm



My previous Wing was a 75-1000 with unknown mileage when I got it. I personally put 300,000 miles on it with no Speedo problems. I now ride an 81 1100 I and have went thru three Speedos in 30,000 miles all with new Cables. They start with a needle jump and end up smoking up the front plastic then dropping to zero and never moving again I have heard that the 80mph speedos are known for this. I've been using a bicycle computer to keep out of trouble with the Law, but it's not back-lit. Can't see it after dark. Would like to have a working Speedo, but I'm kinda gun-shy after all this. Anybody else have this problem?



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Re: 1100 I Speedo smokes.

Postby sportsfreaked » Mon Oct 03, 2016 12:33 pm

The speedometers are *hit on these bikes for sure. Mine didn't work when I bought mine and I purchased a used one and so far so good it's still working. Have you tried to replace the entire assembly? I mean replace the speedometer and the wheel portion (can't think of the name of it)? I would replace the entire assembly to rule out any problems with the wheel portion of the assembly. I assume that the cable is run correctly and not binding on anything. That's all I can think of. Perhaps someone else will chime in with ideas. Best of luck mate.
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Re: 1100 I Speedo smokes.

Postby dwight007fchr » Mon Oct 03, 2016 5:10 pm

Ducktooo.....I like to unscrew the speedo cable and tach cable from under the gauges and allow a generous amount of oil to flow down the cables, and top it off with a bit of grease. I also try to spray some lube upwards into the tach and speedo gauges, and wish they had a small lube hole up top some place to lube the gears and moving parts. Anyone ever drill a small hole just big enough to get a lube sprayer's red straw into it? Could just put a piece of black tape over it.

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Re: 1100 I Speedo smokes.

Postby DUCKTOO » Thu Oct 06, 2016 3:01 pm

Thanks for the responses. I have tried all of these, and more. Maybe the ones I got had just sat around in bad conditions for too long. Not much way to tell when you buy used.Anyone else have any ideas? I'd be glad to hear them.

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Re: 1100 I Speedo smokes.

Postby sportsfreaked » Thu Oct 06, 2016 4:12 pm

Ducktoo I don't have any further ideas for you. Ebay has quite a few for sale that say they work. Not sure where you purchased the other speedos from but I have had good luck via Ebay on items from salvage yards. If you know that the speedometer drive is good then I would think that the actual speedometer would work. http://www.ebay.com/itm/1981-GL1100-GOL ... VI&vxp=mtr

This is a set that's up for auction says it has 19 hours left with no bids for 50 bucks. Might be able to get it cheap. Best of luck to you, wish I had a better idea or fix for ya.
Ed
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Re: 1100 I Speedo smokes.

Postby dwight007fchr » Thu Oct 06, 2016 5:03 pm

Ducktoo......Not sure if this could possibly cause the speedo to go bad as you described, but could it be that you are tightening the cable end way too tight against the speedo base? I just hand-tighten them, and then maybe nudge it a hair with plyers. Im just thinking that maybe if they are too tight, it could cause friction where it rotates at the speedo base, then produce heat, fogging of the lens, and then it just "poops-out" due to the stress. Just throwing that out.......crazy idea?

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Re: 1100 I Speedo smokes.

Postby kerryb » Wed Oct 12, 2016 9:14 pm

My speedo had a bouncy needle, so I pried open the case a and oiled the needle bearing shaft. Now it seems to read 5mph high, but at least it is close!

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Re: 1100 I Speedo smokes.

Postby dwight007fchr » Tue Nov 15, 2016 6:31 pm

Speedo has the Tazmanian Devil in it
Speedo has the Tazmanian Devil in it


Well, now I just discovered that my 83 GL1100 is making a terrible squealing type of noise from the speedometer box......it works fine, no needle jumping, and the odometer and trip meter are working, but sounds like the Tazmanian Devil is running amuck inside. I will take it off and see if I can pull it apart to lube/inspect. The bike only has 30,000 miles on it, so I hope its something minor.

KerryB......Was it hard cracking into the box to get to the inside?

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Re: 1100 I Speedo smokes.

Postby JimJamerino » Fri Nov 18, 2016 4:38 pm

I'm not sure if it pertains, but this topic comes up in the CB750 forum from time to time. The gauges look similar enough that the repair might apply.

http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php?topic=61527.0
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,78890.25.html

I was able to use these threads to get into my gauges on my '80 CB650 and quiet the squeal and bounce. The link that was most helpful was http://www.salocal.com/sohc/tech/speedo/spedo1.htm, but that link is dead. Maybe someone with better Google-fu than me can dig up a cached page.

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Re: 1100 I Speedo smokes.

Postby dwight007fchr » Sun Nov 20, 2016 10:08 pm

Speedo Repairs:

Today I cut the small band holding the two speedo halves together and opened her up:

Cutting the stainless band
Cutting the stainless band


It actually cut real easily, and then popped apart:

Band is free
Band is free


The dial for the Trip Meter was a bit larger than the hole, so I just left the top half in place as I lubed all the gears. Im not sure how you are supposed to remove the Trip Meter button so the top half can be set aside.
The trip meter control and inside gears
The trip meter control and inside gears


All the gears and components looked to be in good shape, so I just cleaned and lubed with white lithium grease and put back together.

Lubed all the gears/joints
Lubed all the gears/joints


I just used black Quack Tape to hold the two halves together so I could put on the bike and fully test it before taking the time to use JB Weld on the stainless clip.
Duct taped together to test
Duct taped together to test


Will test as soon as the weather warms up a bit.

Quack Tape doesnt look too bad
Quack Tape doesnt look too bad

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Re: 1100 I Speedo smokes.

Postby Maz » Mon Nov 21, 2016 3:16 am

Just for future info, the band that you cut can be gently prised up on the bottom. If you get a small, flat screwdriver under it and GRADUALLY work your way round, lifting as you go, it can be raised enough all round to separate the two parts. When you put it back together, the band can be bent back down again, using pliers and a bit of cloth to prevent scratching the top surface. The surface that you bent up will look a bit wrinkled, but it is not seen when the speedo is re-mounted.

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Re: 1100 I Speedo smokes.

Postby dwight007fchr » Mon Nov 21, 2016 8:29 am

Maz....Yes, I watched videos/articles of people doing it both ways. The prying can take along time and be a little frustrating, so I went with the cut option. They just use a large hose clamp to hold it back tight, and then apply JBWeld to the cut area. Also, I was thinking about putting a small bend-up on the ends so the JBWeld could adhere better. I had also thought of bending up and drilling a super small hole and using a screw and nut.........but not sure if I can find a long skinny scew small enough.

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Re: 1100 I Speedo smokes.

Postby Maz » Tue Nov 22, 2016 6:34 am

dwight007fchr wrote:Maz....Yes, I watched videos/articles of people doing it both ways. The prying can take along time and be a little frustrating, so I went with the cut option. They just use a large hose clamp to hold it back tight, and then apply JBWeld to the cut area. Also, I was thinking about putting a small bend-up on the ends so the JBWeld could adhere better. I had also thought of bending up and drilling a super small hole and using a screw and nut.........but not sure if I can find a long skinny scew small enough.


All usable ideas, although, as you say, finding a screw may be difficult. I have used the prying method on my '75 GL1000 and '76 CB500T and it's worth the time spent, from an aesthetics point of view. You can't see any evidence that the clock has been apart, unless you remove it from its mount.
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Re: 1100 I Speedo smokes.

Postby dwight007fchr » Tue Nov 22, 2016 8:15 am

Maz....I agree with going your route if you have the patience to bend that rascall all the way around. Wish someone would make these rings with the "L" crimp only on one side....then we could just slide the new one on, and recrimp it.

Im just hoping that I dont make the Quack Tape a permanent feature on my speedo.

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Re: 1100 I Speedo smokes.

Postby Maz » Tue Nov 22, 2016 9:13 am

dwight007fchr wrote:Maz....I agree with going your route if you have the patience to bend that rascall all the way around. Wish someone would make these rings with the "L" crimp only on one side....then we could just slide the new one on, and recrimp it.

Im just hoping that I dont make the Quack Tape a permanent feature on my speedo.


Oh, I don't know....it gives a kind of carbon fibre (fiber?) sporty look! :D

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Re: 1100 I Speedo smokes.

Postby JimJamerino » Tue Nov 22, 2016 9:35 am

dwight007fchr wrote:Maz....I agree with going your route if you have the patience to bend that rascall all the way around. Wish someone would make these rings with the "L" crimp only on one side....then we could just slide the new one on, and recrimp it.

Im just hoping that I dont make the Quack Tape a permanent feature on my speedo.


Marcel at http://www.cb750faces.com sells them for CB750 gauges. As far as I know, the gauges on the CB750s are the same as our oldwings.

http://www.cb750faces.com/cb750faces.nl/en/other-honda-cb750-laverda-gauge-parts/14-honda-laverda-crimp-ring-set.html

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Re: 1100 I Speedo smokes.

Postby Maz » Tue Nov 22, 2016 1:42 pm

JimJamerino wrote:
dwight007fchr wrote:Maz....I agree with going your route if you have the patience to bend that rascall all the way around. Wish someone would make these rings with the "L" crimp only on one side....then we could just slide the new one on, and recrimp it.

Im just hoping that I dont make the Quack Tape a permanent feature on my speedo.


Marcel at http://www.cb750faces.com sells them for CB750 gauges. As far as I know, the gauges on the CB750s are the same as our oldwings.

http://www.cb750faces.com/cb750faces.nl/en/other-honda-cb750-laverda-gauge-parts/14-honda-laverda-crimp-ring-set.html

Jim, thanks for posting that information. I hadn't even considered looking for spares for those clocks cos I assumed no one would make them! Those clocks are used on many models, including the 'wings, CB750's,, 500's etc. Very useful site.
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Re: 1100 I Speedo smokes.

Postby JimJamerino » Tue Nov 22, 2016 3:00 pm

On http://forums.sohc4.net, Marcel (username lecram) has an outstanding reputation for restoring gauges. He is the only source I know of for new, quality, stock gauge components, including reproduction faces to clean up sun-faded gauges. Lots of CB guys have shipped their stuff to him for restoration or bought rebuilt clocks from him. A pretty penny for him to work his magic, but based on the photos, it looks like his reputation is well-deserved.

Joker Machine makes some custom clamp rings, but not only are they non-stock, they are expensive as hell. More for the cafe racer crowd, but an option if you have more money than sense, IMHO.
http://www.jokermachine.com/products/cb ... black.html

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Re: 1100 I Speedo smokes.

Postby dwight007fchr » Tue Nov 22, 2016 5:52 pm

Jim......Great info. I love the quality of joker machine's speedo clamp rings. They have screws all the way around to make a super secure hold, and can easily be taken apart in the future. But a bit pricey.

Also good to know Marcel has the replacement rings that slide over the speedo and tach, and then you use something to bend it over/crimp it like the original one. A pair for $30 is worth considering, but a the Quack Tape or JB Weld is alot cheaper. All depends on how deep our pockets are when restoring/maintaining these old Wings. Just checked mine and came out with some old lint and a few stink bugs that were looking for a warm place to hibernate.

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Re: 1100 I Speedo smokes.

Postby dwight007fchr » Wed Nov 23, 2016 6:16 pm

Speedo Update:

Took the 83 Naked Wing out today, and the speedo was quiet and working properly. So, apparently just using spray lube and then the white lithium grease solved the problem. Will keep the black Quack Tape on it for awhile to make sure it is definately good before I put the steel crimped ring back on.




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