Breakdown


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Breakdown

Postby bigray122 » Thu Sep 09, 2010 10:40 am



I have been using autolite plugs. Normally I get some miles out of them, then low and behold the number 2 cylinder plug fouls out as do the rest systematically. I know several factors are involved. The bike, even with fresh plugs, blows back smoke. Okay so I figure the rings are bad (replace rings right?), the carbs need to be cleaned and rebuilt & Syn'd. But the other night after getting NGK plugs, it started to foul the plugs (at lower idle city driving) very fast. No worries, went to work and then on the way home it felt as if the bike conked out as if it were outta gas. Finally got it restarted and a few miles later same damn thing.... kinda like the bike was dying and no matter how much throttle I gave it...sounded as if were choking and ultimately died.

Does anyone know of a hotter plug I could use, my though is this. If the rings are letting oil blow through and subsequently they can't burn out the oil the hotter plug may help this. Also I've read the posthttp://goldwingdocs.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=3060&p=13401#p13401 here about trouble shooting the coil and ignition stuff so when I get it back from the shop I will run through this stuff....

Any help would be appreciated.

Further more, maybe someone can estimate a cost for me. Front fork seals rebuilt, carb rebuild and replacement of piston rings. I need this stuff done this winter and I don't want to get raped by the mechanic....his wife maybe.....



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Re: Breakdown

Postby WingAdmin » Thu Sep 09, 2010 10:43 am

Are the plugs oil fouled when you remove them?

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Re: Breakdown

Postby bigray122 » Thu Sep 09, 2010 11:03 am

WingAdmin wrote:Are the plugs oil fouled when you remove them?
Unfortunately I wouldn't know oil fouled from foul ball. I know there just covered in Black Soot....

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Re: Breakdown

Postby goldtr6c » Thu Sep 09, 2010 1:11 pm

If you have "black" smoke, Thats the sign of too much gas, not enough air. You have a carb problem. Were the the smoke "blue" or "bluish white', this is unburnt vaporized oil.

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Re: Breakdown

Postby bigray122 » Thu Sep 09, 2010 9:29 pm

goldtr6c wrote:If you have "black" smoke, Thats the sign of too much gas, not enough air. You have a carb problem. Were the the smoke "blue" or "bluish white', this is unburnt vaporized oil.
The smoke is black, when the bike has been running decent I'll open it up and there is black smoke coming from the tail pipes.... Anyone know of a hotter plug than the one in the manual?

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Re: Breakdown

Postby noelcassidy » Fri Sep 10, 2010 7:00 am

A hotter plug will not help your problem. It sounds to me that your float levels are off in the carbs which is a sign of grit in the fuel. I would remove the carbs and clean them inside and out, making sure the jets are not clogged. Install a new fuel filter, and make sure the gas tank is not rusted. Has the bike been sitting for a long time before you got it?

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Re: Breakdown

Postby RBGERSON » Fri Sep 10, 2010 8:31 am

Check easy stuff first.. compression, timing/valves, spark at plugs, that will narrow down your problem..if all those good..then carbs maybe your problem.
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Re: Breakdown

Postby bigray122 » Fri Sep 10, 2010 9:14 am

RBGERSON wrote:Check easy stuff first.. compression, timing/valves, spark at plugs, that will narrow down your problem..if all those good..then carbs maybe your problem.
Thanks. As I've always contended, when I bought the bike the idle was always suspect and the kid did say it he bought it after it had sat for a while. No doubt that the carbs need rebuilt. Any idea what I'll expect to pay at a garage to have them rebuilt and sync'd?

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Re: Breakdown

Postby noelcassidy » Sat Sep 11, 2010 5:20 am

HArd telling not knowing. The carbs are easily removed as long as the fuel tank is unbolted and pushed back toward the rear of the bike. Back tire has to be removed to do so. That's the biggest hassle in getting them out. I would expect 4 to 6 hours of labor in the process, don't know what labor rates in your area are. Then there is parts if needed. If the bike has sat for some time then i would say your major problem is gummy carbs. My 83 wing sat for 10 years, I removed and cleaned the carbs, soaked the cylinders with PB blaster to free the rings up. It started right up, smoked like an old prostitute, but it ran. Changed the oil out and the longer it ran the better it got. It now runs like a top, so it is hard to kill these old wings.

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Re: Breakdown

Postby leanjoe » Sat Sep 11, 2010 10:36 am

You dont need to move the fuel tank to remove carbs. Just remove the caps and intakes from #1/3 and wiggle em out the left side. If you can afford it,you can send em to a rebuilder for about $400, rebuilt and tested on an engine ,or find a shop around you ,that you trust. Do em yourself,not a big deal,take your time and clean,clean,clean

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Re: Breakdown

Postby MJSantos » Sat Sep 11, 2010 12:36 pm

They're not that bad to do. PM Sent

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Re: Breakdown

Postby bigray122 » Sun Sep 19, 2010 1:52 pm

Here we go again.... So I went back to the autolite 4164 plugs, gapped them correctly. Bike seemed to run okay. Okay means just some sputtering and spitting once in a while. When you crack the throttle open it will sputter and hesitate then settle down, however last night it started the breaking down thing. Kinda like hitting the off switch while your driving. After a few minutes and plug checking, she started back up. Traveled another 8 miles. Then it broke down again. Again, as if turning the switch to off while driving or the same sound when running out of gas.

Someone pulled over behind me on the shoulder..... A Bike mechanic... So we talked discussed, I started it up and it sounded like one or more cylinders weren't firing. White smoke and he surmised it could be a blown head gasket. Explained other symptoms, told him I just topped off about 2 miles before and then he asked about un-capping the gas cap. Something about a diaphragm, so I un-capped it. A few minutes later, it started up and he followed me about 34 miles (he didn't live to far from my destination).

I kept the speed/throttle open to about the same place the whole time, didn't crack it open any more than I needed. Didn't have the breakdown thing at all. In fact felt like I could have laid into it at any point. Once I got to the back roads through my town I did just that, cracked into it several times with no trouble. So I'm guessing, not only might I have to replace the head gaskets, but carbs rebuilt, rings replaced and replacing a shock and fork seals, this hunk-o-love should run fine....... Now where the hell am I gonna get the money.... Especially since this is my only vehicle.....FML

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Re: Breakdown

Postby leanjoe » Sun Sep 19, 2010 2:32 pm

Check oil for mikshake looking and plugs for steam cleaning. Yeah,sounds like a bad cap. lots of guys just drill a hole in it instead of buyong another. You can pull the carbs and clean and inspect them yourself,maybe buy the primo rebuild kit from Randakk. Rings ? Do a compression test. Fork seals,not a big deal. I may have a leaking shock myself and,I've never rebuilt one of those. I'm with you on the money situation. Sick and tired of looking at it,mocking me from the lift in the garage.

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Re: Breakdown

Postby WingAdmin » Sun Sep 19, 2010 8:03 pm

Before tearing into things...I agree, sure sounds like the common fuel cap problem. I would go out and ride for an hour with the fuel cap cracked open, all different speeds and such and see if you still have any problems. If not, go home, drill a tiny hole in the top of the cap, and call it fixed. :)

You can see pictures of it at the bottom of this thread.

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Re: Breakdown

Postby littlebeaver » Sun Sep 19, 2010 9:08 pm

I wonder if he has a bad ground at the frame...I'd check it..

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Re: Breakdown

Postby bigray122 » Sun Sep 19, 2010 9:27 pm

littlebeaver wrote:I wonder if he has a bad ground at the frame...I'd check it..
From the battery (-) cable to the frame....

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Re: Breakdown

Postby littlebeaver » Sun Sep 19, 2010 9:52 pm

Yes, it is very important for all bikes to have a good ground at the frame, take out the long bolt and change those washers and clean up under every part of that bolt and the wire connection should be shiny clean at the bolt and tighten that sucker, I took off my whole plate there and cleaned under every bolt, and sometimes the wires have corrosion in them you can't see..check that.. this might not be your problem but you will know that you now have a excellent ground...A bad ground isn't a good thing.. I know it's sounds so basic but you'd be surprised...it's too often over looked..
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Re: Breakdown

Postby bigray122 » Mon Sep 20, 2010 1:24 am

littlebeaver wrote:Yes, it is very important for all bikes to have a good ground at the frame, take out the long bolt and change those washers and clean up under every part of that bolt and the wire connection should be shiny clean at the bolt and tighten that sucker, I took off my whole plate there and cleaned under every bolt, and sometimes the wires have corrosion in them you can't see..check that.. this might not be your problem but you will know that you now have a excellent ground...A bad ground isn't a good thing.. I know it's sounds so basic but you'd be surprised...it's too often over looked..

I'll do this, however the electrical power really never has been in question here. Lights didn't flash, show drain or anything. As I said its only as if the power switch by the throttle was turned off, since I've taken the fuel cap and "un-capped" it...seems okay...




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