Landed my FIRST Wing


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Landed my FIRST Wing

Postby sputnk » Wed Sep 29, 2010 1:45 pm



Hey all. Been into bikes for a lot of my life and just landed my first Goldwing. It's an '82 Interstate. It's in GREAT shape (will get pics up ASAP) and has been sitting for a long time (10 years or so). Always under a roof and in a dry place. However, there's rust in the tank (easy fix). My question is this...has anyone brought one of these back to life after a long sit and if so, any pointers on what to go through that may be specific to this flat 4 / Goldwing configuration?

I figure a tank de-rust, carb clean / sync, new plugs, check compression, oil, brake inspection / flush, etc...basics.

Looking forward to any advice. Thanks in advance!

Phil in So. Oregon
'82 GL 1100 Interstate
'00 Aprilia Mille *sold*
'04 Suzuki Katana *sold*
'03 CR250r *sold*



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Re: Landed my FIRST Wing

Postby WingAdmin » Wed Sep 29, 2010 3:23 pm

Timing belts!!! Before you even try to crank the engine over.

You might want to check the lubrication of the rear drive splines as well.

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Re: Landed my FIRST Wing

Postby sputnk » Wed Sep 29, 2010 4:01 pm

Right on. Just found out I need to order some de-ruster stuff anyhow. Will add the timing belts and will check the shaft drive system as well. Thanks!

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Re: Landed my FIRST Wing

Postby cameron1269 » Thu Sep 30, 2010 2:35 pm

personally (and it may be the wrong thing) i would use SEAFOAM - and lots of it. I'd run it through a fresh tank of fuel. Dump it in the oil and run it awhile before an oil change. Splash it on as aftershave..... Wait don't do this one..... :lol:

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Re: Landed my FIRST Wing

Postby littlebeaver » Thu Sep 30, 2010 3:00 pm

I brought my 81 back from a bad place, It took some time but I got her running pretty darn good, the idle needle hardly moves now at idle..I did most the work before I came to this site, that being said I have learned a whole lot more, here, I would advise you to cover these things, Ground at the frame, clean it up but good and tighten that bolt get a new washer, the three yellow wires plug out of the stator[alternator], the spark plug wires at the coil, the spark plug units sometimes the backs melt I'm told..Clean out your starter, check all and I mean every electical plug and connection on the bike clean them so they shine, these bike are 30 years old...make sure your fan switch is kicking on, these are some of the problems I had with mine except the Spark unit backs melting..All of this after the carb work and belt change.. I really have enjoyed the after market options too..You can see it in the members photo's, I'm the big ugly dude with my sister..

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Re: Landed my FIRST Wing

Postby sputnk » Thu Sep 30, 2010 6:34 pm

I've got a buddy that's addicted to SEAFOAM. I'll look into it.

As for the electrical stuff, good advice. 30 years. Crazy!

Phil

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Re: Landed my FIRST Wing

Postby detdrbuzzard » Fri Oct 01, 2010 5:26 am

hello sputnk and welcome to GWD. fill the tank and add half a can of seafoam
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Re: Landed my FIRST Wing

Postby noelcassidy » Fri Oct 01, 2010 7:10 am

Have an 83 wing I resurrected from a long 10 year life in a shed that finally collapsed in on the bike. First thing I did was to check compression in all cylinders, pulled the carbs out for a serious cleaning, loaded the cylinders up with PB Blaster and marvel mystery oil. When I first started it, well she smoked pretty bad. Changed the oil, tried again and still smoke, but the longer it ran the better it got. Synced the carbs, got it running smooth, painted the frame, powdercoated a bunch of black parts, fixed the fairing where it was broken, sanded everything down and painted it. It now runs great, have put 2000 trouble free miles on it.

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Re: Landed my FIRST Wing

Postby sputnk » Thu Oct 28, 2010 1:59 pm

Well, here's some pics of what I'm working on. It's an '82 Interstate. 60k miles. When I got my hands on it, there was a 1/4'' of dust (sawdust and straw) on it. This was good because as I've dismantled (controllably) the bike, all of the bolts are rust free and the rubber is looking new for all of the seals and such. Turns out the bike has never seen direct sun or weather in the last 10 years. So, I've done timing belts, radiator hoses, valve adjustment, de-rusted the fuel tank, plugs, oil, a bunch of cleaning and now waiting for the Honda Moly 60 paste to show up for the final drive / splines. I've never believed that you should run tires after 10 years of sitting...but I'm not joking when I say that the rubber on this bike is PERFECT. I've reused the timing cover seals as well as the valve cover seals. It's all perfect. These wings are awesome. There's even a fill indicator with a WIPER for oil level. Crazy. Anyhow, here's a few pics from a week ago. I've now replaced the cleaned up fuel tank as well as done a LOT of cleaning up around the false tank (wiring) and such. New battery on the way and after that I'll try and fire her up and do a coolant flush. Wish us luck!!!



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Re: Landed my FIRST Wing

Postby WingAdmin » Thu Oct 28, 2010 2:13 pm

Looks great! It appears someone has put separate antennas on it (one for the radio, one for the CB)?

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Re: Landed my FIRST Wing

Postby sputnk » Thu Oct 28, 2010 2:17 pm

Yep, good eyes! The original owner put just about every light / switch / bell and whistle you could put on there. I put it to a battery two days ago and everything lit up. Pretty awesome! Now hopefully it'll fire up too!

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Re: Landed my FIRST Wing

Postby littlebeaver » Thu Oct 28, 2010 3:13 pm

Ah man, that looked about how mine did when I was giving it my love, you look like your enjoying the heck out of working on it, makes me wish I took photo's when I did mine. Now, everything works on it and I don't have reason to take her apart anymore, I'm kinda jealous..I just finished putting a car stereo on it and it sound really nice with front and rear speakers [4"].. Custom made boxes and all..I would suggest only one thing to make life easier for ya, A little stool with wheels that you can roll around on...

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Re: Landed my FIRST Wing

Postby sputnk » Thu Oct 28, 2010 6:52 pm

I need to get some more pics ASAP. Got the tank back in and all the engine work (not carbs yet) done. Good advice on the rolly stool. Knees aren't what they used to be. GOD must've forgot to use Moly 60 in my knee caps. :lol:

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Re: Landed my FIRST Wing

Postby littlebeaver » Thu Oct 28, 2010 7:49 pm

This is what having a older Goldwing is all about guys, I don't really know how to explain it but there is no feeling like it after you have worked and sweated and labored on a bike that didn't run or barely did, you bring it back to life kinda like Dr. Frankenstein bringing his monster to life, having the confidence and knowledge of what you have done to it is priceless.. Pinpointed the failures and being able to repair it yourself is priceless, Not being at the mercy of the shops is priceless..This is why we love these older bikes..they are old... They are good.. Most just need a little attention..Believe me when I say this, one thing after another was wrong with mine, wiring, was for a street ride, I had to figure out which wires went where for the faring hook up, there was a 79 fender on the rear and I didn't understand what the heck I was doing wrong when I tried putting the bag frame on it and nothing lined up or worked, I needed the 81 fender...I didn't have this site then...It had a 79 airbox, standard handlebars, the carbs were gunked, the electrical system was bad the fuses ect. gas tank was terrible, it had two filters on it, it would die at every stop, back fire and pop...My gosh..My wife thought I was insane but after she saw what I did to a 79 Yamaha XS-1100 she knew I would fix it up nice..I learned about the dogbone fuse with the Yamaha.. Here's the wonderful part that we here all love, it didn't cost us much, not much to get it and not much to repair it, and in the end you have yourself a motorcycle that you can call Yours.. I paid $12.000 for my Nomad new and I'm asking myself now.. Why..??? I could have bought four or five of these 1100's for that..So get that bike fixed up and keep it alive friend.. :) ps. watch out for wingadmin he won't miss a thing :D

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Re: Landed my FIRST Wing

Postby sputnk » Thu Oct 28, 2010 10:02 pm

Good post. Speaking of WingAdmin...and I'm not volunteering...but who's paying that guy for all those write-up how-to's? Talk about AWESOME. Woulda took me a second to figure out the flywheel etchings for timing belts / valve adjustments etc...but all I had to do was go to the "how to's" and VOILA...done.

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Re: Landed my FIRST Wing

Postby littlebeaver » Thu Oct 28, 2010 11:12 pm

Good question.. I thought the same thing after I entered this site..Wing man where is your donation place at..?? I appreciate everything you have done for us all, a special Thank You..Littlebeaver.. I think he knows how much we love these bikes that's why he does it..

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Re: Landed my FIRST Wing

Postby WingAdmin » Fri Oct 29, 2010 9:58 am

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Re: Landed my FIRST Wing

Postby sputnk » Sat Nov 06, 2010 6:31 pm

So...got the new battery all charged up, things were looking good...turned the key on, bunch of lights, shock light went out, flipped the ignition switch to on and I started turning the engine to try and fire her up. Well, it turned and turned. Not a scent out the exhaust. So, I pulled a plug and checked for spark. Nothing. Plenty of fuel in the carbs, open air (no cleaner on while testing) but no spark. So, the coil unit looks fine. No melting or anything. Anybody have any "common" reasons for no spark for these GL1100's? Any major fuse / circuit that needs replacing? I flunked out of electrical engineering class. Can figure it out yet would LOVE some feedback if anyone has had issues with spark. Thanks in advance. Will post more pics ASAP.

P.S. The Wing is coming together nice. Got the rear splines / final drive all lubed up with Moly 60 and back on. Starting to look like a bike again. :)

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Re: Landed my FIRST Wing

Postby littlebeaver » Sat Nov 06, 2010 7:25 pm

I wonder if the kill switch is stuck or something.. It's not your main fuse if the lights are all on and it cranks..Check the green wire[ ground] behind the coil at the frame, it comes from the rectifier..I don't know man..I'm guessing here..I bet WingAdmin will know..

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Re: Landed my FIRST Wing

Postby sputnk » Sat Nov 06, 2010 7:48 pm

Thanks beav. I'll check both those. Suppose I can look for continuity in the switch and the ground is easy.

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Re: Landed my FIRST Wing

Postby littlebeaver » Sun Nov 07, 2010 12:31 pm

Did you look at that dogbone fuse at the starter relay, sometimes it cracks..

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Re: Landed my FIRST Wing

Postby WingAdmin » Sun Nov 07, 2010 9:22 pm

If the dogbone fuse has failed, the bike won't turn over, because the solenoid primary won't be getting any power.

I agree, have a look at the kill switch and its wiring. Are any other electrical systems in the bike not working?

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Re: Landed my FIRST Wing

Postby sputnk » Mon Nov 08, 2010 12:30 am

Bike turns just fine. Lights, indicators and all are in working order. Just no ignition. I have the shop manual and it has a diagnostic breakdown of the ignition. From the spark plug all the way back to the pulse generator and everything in between. I'll check the kill switch in the morning. Hopefully just needs some dust wiped off of something...:)

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Re: Landed my FIRST Wing

Postby littlebeaver » Mon Nov 08, 2010 8:36 am

Hey... do you think it could be those pesky three yellow wires being toast at the plug causing this, have you taken a look at that plug yet from the stator to the rectifier..? Sure sounds like something is unplugged or a wire is not connecting right...

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Re: Landed my FIRST Wing

Postby WingAdmin » Mon Nov 08, 2010 10:56 am

Won't be the three yellow wires - the bike will run fine (for a while) with them unplugged.

If it's not the kill switch or a simple connector in there, then I'd start looking at the pulse generators. But the fact that you have no spark at ANY plug, points to a single point of failure - and there's only one of those: the kill switch (and associated wiring). If one of the pulse generator coils, one spark generator, one HT coil failed, you'd still have spark at the other two plugs. Of course it's possible that you have two separate failures affecting both spark systems - but it's a lot less likely than a single failure affecting both - and for that, you're looking at the kill switch.

Go to one of the two spark generators (not the coils!) and find the black/white (black with white stripe) wire. That's the wire that carries +12V when the kill switch is set to the "ON" position. When the ignition is set to "ON", check to make sure you have +12V on that wire when the kill switch is set to "ON". If not, then you've isolated your problem to that kill switch or its wiring.

You said you had no scent coming from the pipes when cranking? If you have no ignition, you should be smelling raw, unburned fuel at the tailpipes after cranking it.




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