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WHY ME?

Postby wingnut123 » Mon Oct 18, 2010 4:58 am



Here’s the horrible truth. My buddy who is pretty darn smart, and I who just am not took my service manual and did a check of the voltages. My bike would not start. I replaced the battery but still no go. Was not charging I thought. After checking everything out we decided it was the stator. So I bought one from Honda and had them install it. Needless to say it was pricy for a man of my means. Almost $900.00 US.
I rode my baby home and it was fine. Then it sat for a week or so. Yesterday My Vietnam Veterans of America group had a poker run. So I put on some heavy clothing and off I went. Everything was picture perfect. One 1985 GL 1200 Aspencade, among 50 or so Harley-Davidsons. On behalf of all us wing owners we were looking good!!!! Then it happened. I went to start the bike and nothing. Just instruments and no start. No turn over no nothing. So we gave it a little push and it started. I rode it 2 miles maybe, parked it on a slope at the legion hall. Went in for a hour or so, came out and it started without a push. I rode it to the gas station filled her up and needed a push to get her going. Needless to say by now I’m ready to lever the Honda dealer. But that all changed when I got down the road about 5 miles and my instrument panel started blinking, then went blank. The bike just quit running and backfired once. I got on the side of the road and sat for about 10 minutes. Another push and off I go again. Then same thing with the blinking and one back fire. After a bit of scratching my head, realizing it’s going to be dark soon and I’m still 30 miles from home We push it again and ride 2 miles to a small truck stop where I park it and it just sits the idling like a fine tuned Honda should. After 10 minutes of perfection I turn it off and it is dead again. My buddy leaves his wife with me to drink coffee, and heads home to get the trailer. All on his Harley I might add I pushed it one last time, it started right up and rode it onto the trailer. The blue monster from Haiti is sitting in the driveway now looking so innocent. This is the bike I'm planning the four corners run on next June.
I’m 62 yo, 6’4”. Right now I feel like I’m 3’9” , 12 yo.
Thanks guys and gals for listening to my problems.
Rod In Bedford, va.



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Re: WHY ME?

Postby littlebeaver » Mon Oct 18, 2010 8:47 am

It sounds like it could be a ground connection at the frame to me, then it could be those three yellow wires from the stator to the rectifier regulator, there is a plug there in that line that likes to go bad on guys and burn up, check that. Check the green wire behind the spark plug coil, make sure its cleaned up and tight..We know it's not your stator...remove and clean every connection, from the starter to the solenoid and battery. Good luck, it's gotta be one of those things mentioned..I hope ha ha, thanks for your service, my older brother John served in Nam, he has passed on and now I have his Goldwing he was working on..Cancer got him a few years ago..

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Re: WHY ME?

Postby virgilmobile » Mon Oct 18, 2010 9:31 am

The fact that it re-started means that the battery recovered enough to operate the ignition.It does sound like the charging system is not working at all.Do as said above,verify charging with a meter directly across the battery terminals.This will verify the battery is charging.Battery volts can vary,but you should see about:11.5-12.8 with bike off,11-12 key on,9-12 starting,11-13 idling,13-14.8 at a high rpm.

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Re: WHY ME?

Postby WingAdmin » Mon Oct 18, 2010 10:24 am

Have you checked the dogbone (master) fuse? This is famous for intermittently failing, with symptoms just as you describe. It can crack and pull apart when it gets warm, and then push back together when it cools off, causing head-scratching failures. Pull it out and replace it with a 30 amp waterproof blade fuse holder and see if that solves your problem.

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Re: WHY ME?

Postby MSGT-R » Mon Oct 18, 2010 1:12 pm

Also clean the contacts of the kill switch. This gets forgotten all the time, and is sitting up on the bars out in the weather.

If it does it again, wiggle the ignition switch too..
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Re: WHY ME?

Postby daveinozbikes » Tue Oct 19, 2010 5:24 am

Could be the pulse generator (easy to fix) Symptoms are the same as my friends 1200 some years ago. Go, stop, go, stop.....

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Re: WHY ME?

Postby littlebeaver » Tue Oct 19, 2010 12:37 pm

Well, I know this much, I would have never checked the kill switch or the pulse generator, and the fuse is probably or more than likey the problem just because WingAdmin is that way..I changed mine out to the blade type right after I got my bike, you guy's are smart..People will read this post and make a check off list, heck I'm making my list right now so I don't forget when I get old, I'm still gonna have my 81 when I'm old and gray and when I fall over alot like some of you old farts that write about their issues of fallen over, yeh you know who you are .. :lol:

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Re: WHY ME?

Postby wingnut123 » Tue Oct 19, 2010 6:29 pm

You people are the best!!! Although I have not had a chance to check it out yet, I will post what the outcome is. Thanks again!!
Your friend in Virginia.
Rod

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Re: WHY ME?

Postby barkman49 » Tue Oct 19, 2010 7:20 pm

you may want to check the connection at the starter relay the connector may be melted and not making good contact you may have to cut it out and put push on connectors on the wires
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WHY ME?

Postby wingnut123 » Tue Oct 26, 2010 4:06 am

Well as usual the group has bailed me out again!!!! Yes it was the main fuse block. Replaced the dog bone with a 30 amp waterproof auto fuse block. Did not want to say anything until I had a chance to ride her. No problems what so ever. Amazing how one little thing can cause so many big problems. And I gave all the credit to this forum. Proud to have you all on my side.
Many big thank yous. :D :D
Rod

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Re: WHY ME?

Postby WingAdmin » Tue Oct 26, 2010 7:41 pm

Glad to hear you're back on the road! Most of us only know this stuff because we've been through it all ourselves already - so don't feel bad!

Fortunately, when MY dogbone fuse went, I was only a mile from home. :)

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WHY ME AGAIN!

Postby wingnut123 » Sun Nov 14, 2010 4:47 am

Since changing the main fuse set-up everything has been fine. UNTIL yesterday AM when I backed her out of the garage, hit the start button and nothing. The battery is ok, everything comes on, but no go on the start part. Is this what drives people crazy? The new 30 amp main fuse is ok!!
Like I said everything has been great!
Thanks friends!!
Rod "Here we go again" Adams :?

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Re: WHY ME?

Postby littlebeaver » Sun Nov 14, 2010 1:16 pm

Try this, tap the starter relay and then try starting it, sounds like it's your starter relay to me.. But I'm not a pro though.. :D

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Re: WHY ME?

Postby WingAdmin » Sun Nov 14, 2010 5:16 pm

Does your headlight dim when you hit the starter? Or is it like the starter button isn't even connected?

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Re: WHY ME?

Postby wingnut123 » Sun Nov 14, 2010 10:50 pm

Headlight dims but no noise !!!

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Re: WHY ME?

Postby WingAdmin » Mon Nov 15, 2010 12:55 pm

No click? Nothing at all?

Next step would be to short across the solenoid secondary (where the two big wires connect) using a big screwdriver. It will make a spark. MAKE SURE THE BIKE IS IN NEUTRAL FIRST! If the engine cranks, then the problem is with your solenoid. If nothing happens, then the problem is with the starter, or with the wiring.

Check the ground connection where the battery connects to the frame of the motorcycle, as well as the battery terminals. Also check the condition of the battery and starter cables themselves.

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Re: WHY ME?

Postby wingnut123 » Tue Nov 16, 2010 4:36 am

Thank you for the information. Will try these tips. Just think, pretty soon I'll have a whole new wing..LOL
Rod

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Re: WHY ME?

Postby frostypop » Fri Nov 19, 2010 9:49 pm

make sure your kill switch on the handle bar is in the run position, i have had mine get bumped before to the off position, and had similar problem. i do not use the kill switch for shutting mine off, only for emergency...

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Re: WHY ME?

Postby luckychucky60 » Fri Nov 19, 2010 10:20 pm

This is the most informative goldwing place I know. Thanks
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WHY ME?

Postby wingnut123 » Sat Nov 20, 2010 5:27 am

Well after looking in all the obvious places I decided to finally, just for the heck of it since I already knew that whatever it is, it's going to cost me a bundle, checked the fuse block, and low and behold..you guessed it, the ignition fuse had blown. I replaced the fuse, and varooooom!
As Willie and the gang say, on the road again! :D
Thank you kind folks for all the great info!!!!!
Rod in Bedford.

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Re: WHY ME?

Postby littlebeaver » Sat Nov 20, 2010 1:23 pm

Tony the Tiger would say That's Greattttt...It sounds like it's time to clean up every ground you can find, you need to especially at the frame, if it does this again and it probably will, I would say sir you have something shorting in your electrical system..Your fuses are not suppose to blow like that, there is always a cause..

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Re: WHY ME?

Postby frostypop » Sat Nov 20, 2010 11:01 pm

fuses do get old and weak, you may want to consider replacing them, and it would not hurt a thing to check all your connections, clean and regrease. and like some others have said check wire grounds for corrosion. even check your battery cables for corrosion.

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Re: WHY ME?

Postby wingnut123 » Sun Nov 21, 2010 2:02 am

Thank you guys. Your points well taken!!
Rod

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Re: WHY ME?

Postby WingAdmin » Mon Nov 22, 2010 3:08 pm

Replacing all your fuses is a really good idea, especially if you don't know how old they are - they could be original! I had a fuse blow this year, and when I pulled it out, it fell apart into three pieces (the metal bits fell off the end of the glass tube). Years of heat had caused the glue to fail. I thought I'd have a look at the others, and when I pulled them out, two more of them fell to pieces in my hand. The cover holds spare fuses, so I pulled some of those out, and you guessed it - more of them fell to pieces. I can read the writing on the wall, so I replaced all of the fuses and all of the spare fuses with brand new ones. Future problem averted!

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Re: WHY ME?

Postby wingnut123 » Tue Nov 23, 2010 4:53 am

I'll check them all out. The nerve of the Japanese putting fuses in that won't last at least 100 years. Thanks all!!
Rod




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