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Engine Ticking

Postby dnvldw14874 » Tue Apr 12, 2011 9:08 am



I have an engine tick. It seems from the block. How far do the heads go in past the covers? It seems to be on the right side towards the front of the motor (sitting on the bike). This is really bad, correct? I have the old motor ( I had to change out the motor. The previouse owner said it was ticking also. ) I could take the parts I need to fix this problem off of the old motor. What should i start to check, and once I find it, is there a machinist on here that can lead me through the tolerances of the part I use to replace whatever is wrong, since it will be taken from a bad motor.



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Re: Engine Ticking

Postby N2PPN » Tue Apr 12, 2011 6:29 pm

Sounds like you need to further explore your "noise".... A ticking noise cane be caused by several different things.... a mis-adjusted valve, an exhaust leak, or even an arcing spark plug wire.... all produce different variations of a "ticking" noise... ticking that is from valves will be heard loudest at the valve covers and can be half or one fourth the speed of the engine as it is running.... an exhaust leak will be most loudest when listened for under the heads where the exhaust pipes bolt up... sometimes you can "feel" the exhaust "spurting" out of a bad joint or pipe flange... a bad spark plug wire will usually be able to be seen with all the lights off in the dark with the engine running... a blue electric spark would be observed each time the bad wire was energized with spark...

If any of these are YOUR noise... start looking at the suggested places... other noises can include piston slap, bad rod end bearings and bad camshaft bearings all which have different noises than your "tick" you describe...

As you try to "decode" your noise, keep us posted and I am sure there are many who can help here...

Good Luck,

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Re: Engine Ticking

Postby dnvldw14874 » Wed Apr 13, 2011 8:48 am

Thank you Rich! It does sound more like an arc of some type. It kinda scared me though because i just got this bike and had to put in the motor in myself without any experience at working on a bike at all. I will have to check this during the weekend because I dash out the door at the last minute to get to work at night after sleeping all evening due to going to school all day. I just won't have the time during the week to get at it in the dark. I so hope this is the problem. If it is a valve adjustment, should i change the valve? Could it be bent, since a ticking noise that would be made from a valve would be it hitting something? I still have the engine i took out of the bike and probably could find a good one in there. Are the valves the same size with a difference being intake and exhaust?

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Re: Engine Ticking

Postby thrasherg » Wed Apr 13, 2011 9:31 am

If it is your valves ticking, I would check the compression (If you have a gauge) that will tell you if the valve is seating/sealing correctly, if it is then you just have to correct the valve clearances, this is usually done with either a screw & locknut or with a shim, I am not familiar with your engine so I don't know which method Honda used for adjusting valve clearances (It will be in the manual). If the valve is not bent (and it probably isn't) there is no need to change the valve, just set the clearance (This is a normal maintenance item), this requires a cold engine (Normally) and removal of the rocker/cam cover, some feeler gauges and a couple of hours free time!!

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Re: Engine Ticking

Postby WingAdmin » Wed Apr 13, 2011 11:01 am

thrasherg wrote:If it is your valves ticking, I would check the compression (If you have a gauge) that will tell you if the valve is seating/sealing correctly, if it is then you just have to correct the valve clearances, this is usually done with either a screw & locknut or with a shim, I am not familiar with your engine so I don't know which method Honda used for adjusting valve clearances (It will be in the manual). If the valve is not bent (and it probably isn't) there is no need to change the valve, just set the clearance (This is a normal maintenance item), this requires a cold engine (Normally) and removal of the rocker/cam cover, some feeler gauges and a couple of hours free time!!

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A couple hours?? The GL1100 valves are so accessible, honestly, even a first-timer shouldn't require more than 45 minutes to an hour to do them. It's a pretty simple process: How to adjust your valve clearances

Because this is a regular maintenance item, I'd be tempted to just go ahead and do it anyway, and if it clears up your ticking problem, then great, you've killed two birds with one stone. If not, then you've just eliminated one potential cause of your ticking.

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Re: Engine Ticking

Postby virgilmobile » Wed Apr 13, 2011 11:23 am

I also have a "ticking" on the right side.I replaced the cam,rockers and readjusted.It isn't a valve tick.I'm beginning to wonder if it may be a weak spring in the fuel pump???I'll poke around it with the stethoscope.

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Re: Engine Ticking

Postby dnvldw14874 » Sun Apr 17, 2011 4:57 pm

Well, it is not anything arcing that is making the noise. It is also not an exhaust leak. I will have to get a few items from work and get at it as soon as I have the time. I have noticed that my valve cover gaskets need replaced. Also, there is a piece that unbolts towards the rear of the spark plug area maybe a cover for the transmission? Itis leaking also. It's looking like I have alot of little things to do at the same time whenever I do get around to checking the valve clearance. I am having a hard time finding a gasket for it on ebay or anywhere else. Not being sure what the name of the part does not help much either ( I will look it up in the parts manual in here ) is it safe to cut one out of cork? I have some left from when my friend replaced his 4x4 transmission. Does the engine get too hot for something like that?

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Re: Engine Ticking

Postby dnvldw14874 » Sun Apr 17, 2011 5:09 pm

After looking at the parts manual, I have guessed that the part i am talking about is the Final Gear Cover (part number 11371-371-000), can anyone confirm that this part is in the same area as where I have described in my previouse reply? This way i can order the gaskets i need before i open any of these components up.

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Re: Engine Ticking

Postby dnvldw14874 » Sun Apr 17, 2011 5:12 pm

Ah yes, and virgilmobile; if you have a tick anywhere near your fuel pump, that would be a different tick altogether from what i am describing. My tick is towards the front of the engine.

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Re: Engine Ticking

Postby virgilmobile » Mon Apr 18, 2011 8:10 am

There are no cork gaskets on the engine.A gasket can be hand cut and punched for the final drive cover.It's not critical.Now then,my wing does have a expected valve ticking,they are not hydraulic,so some ticking is normal.What I have is louder on one side more toward the rear of the head.Thus the fuel pump suspect.If you have an abnormal tick,It may be a flat spot worn on the cam or rocker.My 83 1100 had that with 157000 miles on it.

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Re: Engine Ticking

Postby dnvldw14874 » Mon Apr 18, 2011 8:55 am

Are you suggesting that I should check my valve clearance, get them where they should be, once i have them right, it should be safe to ride? If this is so, I will start rebuilding the engine that came on it and change it out once I get it done. I am new to owning and riding a motorcycle, but am scared of this causing the engine to lock up, and i suspect that with a drive shaft driven bike, this would be really bad. If it were a flat spot on the cam or rocker, would changing out the entire head be a good idea, since i have one from the old motor? with some good luck it may be good.

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Re: Engine Ticking

Postby virgilmobile » Mon Apr 18, 2011 11:41 am

I'll do a audio recording of normal tappet noise and post it asap.Some tappet clicking can be heard (a little)while the motor is running and is acceptable.A loud noise is not,and may indicate a flat spot on the cam or rocker.If the timing belts are good and properly set the chances of engine lockup are slim.My 1200 uses hydraulic lash adjusters to maintain 0 lash thus no tappet noise.The 1100 does not,so some clicking is normal and should be expected.If the cam is worn,at least replace the cam and rocker that it drives.My 1100 had 2 lobes with obvious flat spots just before the peak and a flat spot on it's rocker.I only replaced what was bad.I always roll a engine over by HAND before trying to start it.The tappet noise should be even on both sides,and more like a low tickety-tickety-tick.

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Re: Engine Ticking

Postby dnvldw14874 » Mon Apr 18, 2011 3:40 pm

Ok. Will the recording be in this post topic or should I go somewhere else to listen to it?

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Re: Engine Ticking

Postby virgilmobile » Mon Apr 18, 2011 4:17 pm

I'll try to post it here by later tonight

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Re: Engine Ticking

Postby virgilmobile » Tue Apr 19, 2011 11:59 am

Can't post a mp3 file , so I e-mailed directly to you.Virgil

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Re: Engine Ticking

Postby dnvldw14874 » Wed Apr 20, 2011 12:20 pm

My personal email address, or did you send it to me on goldwingdocs.com? I know this is the site we are on right now, just wanted to be clear. I have no new messages on here.

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Re: Engine Ticking

Postby dnvldw14874 » Wed Apr 20, 2011 12:31 pm

Never mind. I found it. I can not hear any ticking at all on that track. My ticking is pretty noticeable. I have already ordered my valve cover gaskets, my final gear cover gasket (the old one is leaking), and my timing belt tool. I am going to order my head gaskets, buy my timing belt, feeler guages and 12mm offset wrench on Friday and just get into this once all of the parts get here. I could just check the valve clearance, but the gaskets are seeping oil anyways. It will all have to be taken apart anyways. Might as well do it all at once.

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Re: Engine Ticking

Postby virgilmobile » Wed Apr 20, 2011 2:57 pm

Sorry the valve noise is poorly heard.If your ticking is so loud you can hear it clearly over the normal engine,I would,while your popping the covers,pop off the rocker rail and at least look at the cam and rockers.You can(with the plugs removed) roll the motor over to view all the lobes.If they have a shiny flat spot on the riser or on the rocker,that will account for abnormal noise.It's not detrimental,just annoying.

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Re: Engine Ticking

Postby virgilmobile » Wed Apr 20, 2011 3:00 pm

Oh by the way.If you do pull the rocker,loosen all the bolts evenly to avoid binding.

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Re: Engine Ticking

Postby dnvldw14874 » Thu Apr 21, 2011 9:20 am

Ok. thank you. I will do that while I am changing my timing belt since I will be rotating my engine anyways. I will check the valve clearance before, so that if I do not have any wear spots, I will know it is not in there at all.

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Re: Engine Ticking

Postby dnvldw14874 » Mon May 23, 2011 5:11 pm

Ok. So, I have finally replaced the head gaskets. I put the timing belts on with T2 up at first, checked to make sure everything would turn, and it surprisingly did just fine. Tried to start it, luckily it cranked, but did not ignite. It pushed fuel so hard backwards that it leaked around the hose from the fuel pump. I figured out the problem, and put the belts back on using the T1 marking. I checked to make sure everything is clear and tried to start it...nothing. I am going to check valve clearance tomorrow, but, I remember there being something on the timing belt tutorial about timing. Like a spark advance or something. I can not find the papers I printed out on the belt replacement tutorial, but i swear that there was something else besides the valve clearance, that I need to check. Does anyone have any idea what it is, and how do I do it? I didn't write it down because I hoped I did not have to do it since I did not know what it meant. Help me please.

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Re: Engine Ticking

Postby dnvldw14874 » Tue May 24, 2011 10:24 am

I replaced the head gaskets, timing belts, sparkplugs, etc. got the darn thing running (not near as well as before) and the darn tick is still there!!!

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Re: Engine Ticking

Postby dnvldw14874 » Tue May 24, 2011 10:25 am

Oh, I adjusted the valves also. What the heck!!!

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Re: Engine Ticking

Postby virgilmobile » Tue May 24, 2011 2:40 pm

Get a 3 foot length of hose.Plug one ear and stick the hose in the other.Use it to pinpoint exactly where the ticking is coming from.Record it on your I phone and E-Mail it around.

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Re: Engine Ticking

Postby VergeB » Tue Jun 14, 2011 9:36 pm

I have the same darn ticking. '76 GL1000. it clicks (or snaps) @ aboutTDC. Right side. Pulled the valve cover, turned over a few times, and found the "clack" was on Intake on #1, Exhaust on #3. The valves are open, so either when its fully open, or on the way closed is when it seems to be happening.... Had the same issue after changing the head gasket. Tore it down again, measured the cam, put it together, timed her, adjusted the valves, and took it for a run. RAN GREAT!. Started it up today, and...Clack, Clack, Clack. Anyone find the culprit yet????




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