won't start, what next?


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won't start, what next?

Postby greenwoodgoldwing » Sun May 22, 2011 1:18 pm



I've owned a 1983 1100 for about a year now. After sitting for the winter I tried to start the bike. It turned over but eventually would not. I've since fully charged the battery, but now it will not turn over at all, just "clicks". I've tried to "bypass" the selenoid but I get the same result. Any ideas on what to try next?



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Re: won't start, what next?

Postby WingAdmin » Sun May 22, 2011 2:17 pm

Put a multimeter on the battery, and watch the voltage when you engage the starter and get your "click". Does the voltage change much?

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Re: won't start, what next?

Postby DragonRider » Sun May 22, 2011 6:31 pm

Starter could be engaged with the flywheel. "TAP" starter lightly with a hammer

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Re: won't start, what next?

Postby DragonRider » Sun May 22, 2011 8:39 pm

Did you winterize bike before you stored it?
this is very important if you want it to start again in the spring/summer

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Re: won't start, what next?

Postby RBGERSON » Mon May 23, 2011 8:03 am

Jump directly from a car battery if it turns over..then look at battery, cables, ground wire, etc. if not pull the starter and clean it out.

You could pull/loosen your plugs..bike could be hydrolocked too..fluid in cylinder(s) will keep it from turning over and could bend a rod or fry a starter.
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Re: won't start, what next?

Postby thrasherg » Mon May 23, 2011 9:51 am

I would suspect something has seized up from standing too long. Most likely the starter motor. As mentioned by wingadmin, put a multimeter across the battery, measure the volts, then push the starter button and see if the volts drop much./ If they do, then the starter relay is working and the starter motor has probably seized up, if the volts don't change much then the starter relay is not working or the starter motor brushes are not making contact. Either way, I would be removing the 4 spark plugs, try putting it on it's center stand, then in top gear and try rotating the back wheel. If you rotate the wheel backwards I believe it will try to turn the starter motor, which might be all that it needs to free up. After turning the wheel backwards and forwards, put it back in neutral and then see if the starter button has any effect.

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Re: won't start, what next?

Postby greenwoodgoldwing » Wed May 25, 2011 8:15 pm

I did try the multi-meter, finally. The voltage does not change when the starter button is pushed.

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Re: won't start, what next?

Postby virgilmobile » Wed May 25, 2011 9:26 pm

If the relay clicks and you "tapped"on the starter to get it to crank at all,the starter needs attention.Pull it off and rebuild it.Not to hard,and may not even need parts.Sometimes the brushes just stick.

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Re: won't start, what next?

Postby thrasherg » Thu May 26, 2011 9:42 am

As mentioned, if the volts did not change then your starter motor circuit is not working. Either the starter relay has failed, or more likely the brushes in the starter motor are not making contact (Corroded, old and worn) or you have a bad electrical connection in the circuit. If you can try measuring the volts on the output side (The side that connects to the starter motor) of the starter relay. If you are getting 0 volts (when you push the starter button) the relay is bad, if you get 12 volts, then you either have a bad connection between the relay and the starter motor, or the brushes in the starter motor have jammed. I would still suggest putting the bike on the center stand, remove the spark plugs, put it in top gear and try rotating the rear wheel backwards to rotate the engine and starter motor. Then see if it will start. If it does then you have found the problem (Stuck starter motor). If it is the starter motor I would suggest removing it and giving it a good overhaul, but lets see if it is the starter before jumping to conclusions..

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Re: won't start, what next?

Postby DragonRider » Thu May 26, 2011 10:58 am

Have you tried jumping the starter directly from the battery? this is not normally recomended but in this case give it a try, if starter turns over then your problem is elsewhere. Could be relay, maybe even the starter button itself. lets go one step at a time before you put any $$ into it..

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Re: won't start, what next?

Postby greenwoodgoldwing » Fri May 27, 2011 5:49 pm

I have tapped the starter and tried and I have put on center stand, removed spark plugs and rotated rear wheel backwards, still no turning over. I was going to check the voltage at the starter relay, but don't know where it is? My Clymer manuel does not show it, at least that I've found. When I push in the start button the front light dims, so I assume the starter button is working.

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Re: won't start, what next?

Postby WingAdmin » Fri May 27, 2011 8:31 pm

greenwoodgoldwing wrote:I have tapped the starter and tried and I have put on center stand, removed spark plugs and rotated rear wheel backwards, still no turning over. I was going to check the voltage at the starter relay, but don't know where it is? My Clymer manuel does not show it, at least that I've found. When I push in the start button the front light dims, so I assume the starter button is working.


Actually, the starter button is NOT working. The headlight should turn OFF when you press the starter, not just dim. But the fact that it IS dimming says:

- the starter button is not disconnecting the headlight like it should when pressed
- the starter is receiving power, but is not turning

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Re: won't start, what next?

Postby greenwoodgoldwing » Sat May 28, 2011 12:45 pm

Okay, I made a mistake, the headlight does go out, not just dim.

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Re: won't start, what next?

Postby virgilmobile » Sat May 28, 2011 8:38 pm

Use your test light.Connect it to the frame.Test probe the post on the starter.Push the starter button.If the test light lights up the starter is dead.
If it doesn't light.test each post on the relay(right side of the battery)
One side is battery power,the other goes to the starter.
does it click when the start button is pushed?
If yes,and no volts on the starter post,and has volts on the battery post,replace the relay.

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Re: won't start, what next?

Postby greenwoodgoldwing » Sat May 28, 2011 10:50 pm

Okay...I put my multi-meter on the starter, hit the starter button and got a 12 volt reading. So I figured there is a problem inside the starter. I pulled the starter. Not much, if any, grease on the one side. On the other side with the contacts, I'm not sure what it is supposed to look like, but it doesn't seem quite right. A small piece of metal was broken off. I think this is one of the contacts. Can these contacts be replaced, or I should I just go with a completely new starter? Or is there something else I should check first or maybe overlooked?
Thanks for everyone's help.

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Re: won't start, what next?

Postby Pam » Sun May 29, 2011 1:23 am

Sounds like the brushes have packed it in on the starter. If the windings in the starter are Ok you should be able to rebuild the starter. I am sure someone will chime in on this but if it was a car starter it could be rebuilt, in many cases cheaper and faster than buying a new starter.

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Re: won't start, what next?

Postby DragonRider » Sun May 29, 2011 9:40 am

You can rebuild the starter but I dont know where you can buy a rebuild kit, I have found new starters for an 83 GL1100 about $75.00 + s&h (and Tax of course).
Sorry it could not be something cheaper.

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Re: won't start, what next?

Postby riddinglowcr » Wed Jun 01, 2011 3:15 pm

Had the same issue with mine. Found out it was the starter. I decided to buy the new starter and it has been working great with no issues at all. I bought mine on ebay a total of $85. It was well worth it. :D Hope that helps some.

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Re: won't start, what next?

Postby greenwoodgoldwing » Sun Jun 12, 2011 3:07 pm

I've decided to buy a new one, but am having trouble finding exactly what I need. I believe the part number for the 1983 Goldwing 1100 starter is 31200-371-008. There seems to be parts numbers listed for sale all around this number but nothing exactly the same. I got the part number from one of the parts list on this site. Also, most of the starters for sale show a sprocket on the end, but when I pulled mine off it did not have a sprocket. It seems as if the sprocket is inside the body of the bike connected to the chain?

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Re: won't start, what next?

Postby riddinglowcr » Mon Jun 13, 2011 12:50 pm

Im not sure about that. When i got mine i just looked for the 1982 goldwing i check the year and the c.c. and that worked for me. What website are you looking at?

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Re: won't start, what next?

Postby greenwoodgoldwing » Mon Jun 13, 2011 9:17 pm

I've been starting at ebay, then there are a couple of sites. I know one was KB electric (or electronics). I need to try and call them during the day, but sometimes hard to get done while at work.

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Re: won't start, what next?

Postby riddinglowcr » Tue Jun 14, 2011 11:58 am

I dont believe there is different ones for your 83.. 1100. Unless am mistaking.... by the model/engine and year you should be good to go. Do that double check and by calling the parts store and let us know how it went. :D

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Re: won't start, what next?

Postby greenwoodgoldwing » Fri Jun 24, 2011 9:00 pm

Okay, I finally got a new starter delivered today. Trying to get the thing back on, but having a real problem lining up the starter with the cog in the chain. Any ideas? If I put the cog on the starter first I can't really maneuver it to get placed in the chain. If I place the cog in the chain first it hangs off center and the starter does not slide into the cog/chain straight. I've tried to hold the chain in the center position but have been unable to find anything small enough to hold it in place and still be able to slide the starter in without getting hung up.

Also, inside the body of the bike where the chain hangs there are two metal "quarter circles" behind the chain. Do these do something in regards to the chain and/or starter?
Thanks for any help.




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