Starter motor question


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Starter motor question

Postby sperryunivac » Sun Jun 19, 2011 9:00 am



I have a starter motor that spins up but does not crank the engine. I pulled the starter clutch because it would not catch if turned in either direction and replaced the rollers, springs etc. The stater clutch was not gummed up an was very clean.
I installed the starter motor with the rear cover still off, and now when I try to start the engine, the chain will move a very small amount and then the starter motor spins internally but does not move the chain.
Pulling the starter apart, i found that the outer plastic gear had rotated out of position about a quarter inch and this in turn causes the inner two gears to jam up. If I reset the outer ring gear ( there is a pin that aligns to the slot in the outer edge of the ring gear) and reassemble the starter motor, I find that i can't turn the outer shaft by hand. Is the turning of the chain gear on the starter motor supposed to be easy to turn by hand? If it is then i have other issues in the starter motor.
Another question I have is if the outer plastic ring gear is supposed to have what appears to be some sort of gasket material on it?
The internals appear to be very clean and no carbon dust inside so I think the previous owner may have rebuilt the starter moror.
Do you think it is time for a replacement?
Thanks for your help.



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Re: Starter motor question

Postby RBGERSON » Sun Jun 19, 2011 9:11 am

Plastic is your problem ..cheap China starter get one from db electronics..
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NOW INTO 1500'S..RIDING A 1998 SE

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Re: Starter motor question

Postby sperryunivac » Sun Jun 19, 2011 12:21 pm

DB Electronics, the Audio hifi company??

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Re: Starter motor question

Postby trike lady » Sun Jun 19, 2011 8:11 pm

try this website: http://www.dbelectrical.com/ they have USA made stuff.
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Re: Starter motor question

Postby sperryunivac » Sun Jun 19, 2011 9:51 pm

Thanks trike lady. I looked at the site but they do not have any starters for my Gl1100.

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Re: Starter motor question

Postby WingAdmin » Mon Jun 20, 2011 3:07 pm

sperryunivac wrote:Thanks trike lady. I looked at the site but they do not have any starters for my Gl1100.


I'm surprised at that - I'd send them an email or give them a call to be sure.

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Re: Starter motor question

Postby riddinglowcr » Mon Jun 20, 2011 8:11 pm

Looks like they dont have any in stock.... but calling them is the best option...

http://www.dbelectrical.com/c-2024-gl1100.aspx

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Re: Starter motor question

Postby sperryunivac » Mon Jun 20, 2011 10:22 pm

Thanks, I'll send them an email to see if they are getting any more stock.
How about the Caltric starters or EMS Global starters selling on Ebay? Are they any good?

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Re: Starter motor question

Postby trike lady » Mon Jun 20, 2011 10:37 pm

Try contacting this company for a starter. http://www.nationsautoelectric.com/hondamotorcycle.html
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Re: Starter motor question

Postby sperryunivac » Tue Jun 21, 2011 11:55 am

Thanks, I had a look Nationsautoelectric. The shipping cost 0f $90 to Canada is a real killer. Any autoelectric companies up in Canada?

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Re: Starter motor question

Postby riddinglowcr » Tue Jun 21, 2011 3:46 pm

I got mine from ebay it has been working good for me no troubles.

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Re: Starter motor question

Postby sperryunivac » Wed Jun 22, 2011 8:48 pm

Thanks riddinglowcr.
Was that starter a new one or used one?

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Re: Starter motor question

Postby riddinglowcr » Thu Jun 23, 2011 1:02 pm

The one i got was new... i just looked for the seller i got it from but he has no more or least for now... Just make sure the specs match and you should be good to go.

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Re: Starter motor question

Postby trike lady » Thu Jun 23, 2011 9:53 pm

Are you really in need of the starter? How bad?
Hopefully this company can help you.
http://www.ricksmotorsportelectrics.com/index.php
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Re: Starter motor question

Postby sperryunivac » Fri Jun 24, 2011 3:49 pm

Thanks trikelady.
I think I can close out this thread as I have purchased one on ebay. I looked at the starter in the link you provided and they have a starter that uses a PM instead of the armature. These starters are supposed to provide more torqe than the standard ones. At $220 it is 5 times more expensive than the one I got on ebay. I did notice that ricksmotorsports starter shows the gear on backwards. Also EMS global sells the identical starter for $139.
I've seen some new ones for $69 but am sceptical as to how long they will last (one seller told me it was made in China).
Searching the webb for the GL1100 starter reveals a wide variety of prices but I don't think there are that many manufacturers and distributers of these starters out there. We need a thread to see who has purchased what type of new starter and what the overall results are (good, bad etc). The one I have says CAE on it but the internal ring gear is made of plastic and it will spin out of place causing the motor to spin internally and not turn the chain gear.
Interestingly, the PO drilled a hole in the rear cover to get access to the chain gear so as to make it easier to line up with the starter splines. He then used Epoxy to plug the hole, lots of it. The big chunk inside the cover was starting to work loose and one day it would have worked its way onto the chain, starter clutch, alternator coils and who knows where else.
We have a postal strike up here in Canada so I don't know how long the starter I purchased will be tied up at the post office. So in the mean time I can put the engine back onto the frame and I still have my restored 1969 BSA lightning to ride while I wait.
For all those that replied to this thread, thank you very much for all the leads to the various places that sell starters. You never know I may still need them.
P.S. has anyone tried the SuperTorque starter that is sold by EMS Global?




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