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Help Please No Start

Postby BIGJIM1 » Mon Jun 27, 2011 10:42 pm



Hello,

I just recently picked up a 1982 Honday Ascenpade 1100 it has been in storage for 7 yrs and only has 5900 miles on it, the issue is that the bike wont turn over at all it has a slight clicking noise and power is going to the starter but it will not turn over any comments / suggestions would be appreciated.

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Re: Help Please No Start

Postby dingdong » Tue Jun 28, 2011 8:48 am

Will the starter try to turn the engine or does it "just click" with nothing from the starter. If it just clicks then there is a problem with the starter.
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Re: Help Please No Start

Postby grandpa » Tue Jun 28, 2011 9:40 am

Hi
Have you tried to put it in gear and push fwd. Just want to figure out if the engine is totaly bloked. This will tell you where to troubleshoot. Engine or starter system. Good luck.

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Re: Help Please No Start

Postby virgilmobile » Tue Jun 28, 2011 10:55 am

The clicking may be the starter solenoid is bad.Using a test light,probe both terminals.One should be steady bright,the other should light bright when trying to crank the engine.Use the engine block as the ground as this will also test the (sometimes corroded) battery ground.

For the starter to run,it must have power from it's case to the wire post on it.A corroded battery ground at the frame can interfere with this.

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Re: Help Please No Start

Postby DragonRider » Tue Jun 28, 2011 11:42 am

I would start by determining first if engine is siezed up, Put bike in 2 or 3 gear hold clutch in roll foward a bit and release clutch, you should feel the wheels turning engine over.
If all is good there you can be releived problem is minor. check "all" electrical connections for corosion this causes big drops and can result in problem you have.
More than likely you are looking at a bad selinoid or a bad starter. If bike was stored for 7years I would put $$ on starter needing a tear down and cleaning.

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Re: Help Please No Start

Postby littlebeaver » Tue Jun 28, 2011 12:17 pm

virgilmobile wrote:The clicking may be the starter solenoid is bad.Using a test light,probe both terminals.One should be steady bright,the other should light bright when trying to crank the engine.Use the engine block as the ground as this will also test the (sometimes corroded) battery ground.

For the starter to run,it must have power from it's case to the wire post on it.A corroded battery ground at the frame can interfere with this.

He is so correct on this, it's a good idea to clean it up there anyway..That's the most important ground of all.... :D

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Re: Help Please No Start

Postby BIGJIM1 » Tue Jun 28, 2011 2:09 pm

dingdong wrote:Will the starter try to turn the engine or does it "just click" with nothing from the starter. If it just clicks then there is a problem with the starter.


Thanks for the response, it just clicks an is not engaging the starter I pulled the starter and it will spin freely when jumped? I am afraid that the engine is stuck? I do not think it was properly stored any suggestions on freeing up the motor?

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Re: Help Please No Start

Postby macka » Tue Jun 28, 2011 3:07 pm

did you actually put the bike in gear and push it? Sometimes the starter spins freely when jumped outta the bike but when under a mild load the solenoid doesn't have enough oomph to engage it to the flywheel.

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Re: Help Please No Start

Postby BIGJIM1 » Tue Jun 28, 2011 3:13 pm

macka wrote:did you actually put the bike in gear and push it? Sometimes the starter spins freely when jumped outta the bike but when under a mild load the solenoid doesn't have enough oomph to engage it to the flywheel.


Yes tried putting it in 2 and 3 rd gear also 1st gear it just drags the rear tire

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Re: Help Please No Start

Postby WingAdmin » Tue Jun 28, 2011 4:57 pm

Put it in 5th gear and try. In the lower gears, it has to spin the engine much more for a given distance. In 5th gear you have the best mechanical advantage when pushing the bike. If it still dragging the tire when in 5th gear, then you may have a serious problem with the engine.

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Re: Help Please No Start

Postby littlebeaver » Tue Jun 28, 2011 5:30 pm

oomph :shock: :shock: :shock: what's this langauge of which you speak :shock: :lol: My oldest brother and a friend pulled a bike around with a truck while it was in gear to free the engine up when I was little don't know what gear it was in...

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Re: Help Please No Start

Postby BIGJIM1 » Tue Jun 28, 2011 6:04 pm

littlebeaver wrote:oomph :shock: :shock: :shock: what's this langauge of which you speak :shock: :lol: My oldest brother and a friend pulled a bike around with a truck while it was in gear to free the engine up when I was little don't know what gear it was in...


Thanks not sure if I can hold this thing up while pulling behind a truck :( but I could sure try it, I tried 5th gear and will go backwards a little but forward it moves even less and stops

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Re: Help Please No Start

Postby BIGJIM1 » Tue Jun 28, 2011 6:09 pm

WingAdmin wrote:Put it in 5th gear and try. In the lower gears, it has to spin the engine much more for a given distance. In 5th gear you have the best mechanical advantage when pushing the bike. If it still dragging the tire when in 5th gear, then you may have a serious problem with the engine.


I tried 5th gear it will roll bacwards a little but going forward it will not turn hardly at all, I tried the test light and it appears that there is nothing going to the started from the selinoid however the not being able to roll it in gear forward is worrying me. How much rotation forward am I looking to acheive?

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Re: Help Please No Start

Postby saltydawg1967 » Tue Jun 28, 2011 7:21 pm

Pull the plugs to take the compression off the engine. May make it easier to determine if its really stuck or not.

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Re: Help Please No Start

Postby HALBUDD » Tue Jun 28, 2011 8:36 pm

Also I would put some oil in the the cylinders and let them set for awhile to try and free up the pistons before trying to drag it any more. Good luck Hal
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Re: Help Please No Start

Postby DragonRider » Tue Jun 28, 2011 9:07 pm

Bigjim all is not lost, these bike are like a Timex they take a licking and keep on ticking.
OK yes pull all four plugs and shoot some Penetrating oil into each cylinder (spray alot in there you want it all covered) let that sit over night or two and try getting engine to turn over by pushing it WITHOUT PLUGS INSTALLED.
also make sure the crankcase has GOOD oil and is not overfilled ( I saw one bike the guy stored it and thought it keep everything lubed he just filled the crankcase till it could hold no more oil, when we drained it I swear we got 2.5 gals of oil from crankcase and 1/2 qt from each cylinder)

I will warn you now once this thing starts it is very likely going to smoke from the exhaust.

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Re: Help Please No Start

Postby BIGJIM1 » Tue Jun 28, 2011 9:43 pm

HALBUDD wrote:Also I would put some oil in the the cylinders and let them set for awhile to try and free up the pistons before trying to drag it any more. Good luck Hal

Thanks I have put a little in each yesterday not alot though

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Re: Help Please No Start

Postby BIGJIM1 » Tue Jun 28, 2011 9:46 pm

DragonRider wrote:Bigjim all is not lost, these bike are like a Timex they take a licking and keep on ticking.
OK yes pull all four plugs and shoot some Penetrating oil into each cylinder (spray alot in there you want it all covered) let that sit over night or two and try getting engine to turn over by pushing it WITHOUT PLUGS INSTALLED.
also make sure the crankcase has GOOD oil and is not overfilled ( I saw one bike the guy stored it and thought it keep everything lubed he just filled the crankcase till it could hold no more oil, when we drained it I swear we got 2.5 gals of oil from crankcase and 1/2 qt from each cylinder)

I will warn you now once this thing starts it is very likely going to smoke from the exhaust.


Thanks for the hope, I have tried a little oil but not penetrating lube I will pick some up tomorrow and give it a try, hopefully this will work I don't have a ton of cash to put into this and I really want to get riding again.

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Re: Help Please No Start

Postby HALBUDD » Tue Jun 28, 2011 10:30 pm

BigJim take your time if you are good with a wrench you will find just about all the answers here.Lots of good guys and gals here and they love a challenge. Things to think about doing after you get her freed up belts,all fluids changed,fuel filter, remove any old gas and check tank. And SEAFOAM put it in your gas it will help clean your tank and hopefully get alot of the goo out of the carbs. You will have alot more questions Im sure but ask away and post all your progress and lots of pictures we like pictures. Good Luck with your new to girl Hal
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Re: Help Please No Start

Postby BIGJIM1 » Tue Jun 28, 2011 10:41 pm

HALBUDD wrote:BigJim take your time if you are good with a wrench you will find just about all the answers here.Lots of good guys and gals here and they love a challenge. Things to think about doing after you get her freed up belts,all fluids changed,fuel filter, remove any old gas and check tank. And SEAFOAM put it in your gas it will help clean your tank and hopefully get alot of the goo out of the carbs. You will have alot more questions Im sure but ask away and post all your progress and lots of pictures we like pictures. Good Luck with your new to girl Hal


Thank you,

I am pretty fair with a wench the only things that limit me are time and money, I will start taking some pictures of progress as I go along.

Thanks again for all the support :D

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Re: Help Please No Start

Postby DragonRider » Wed Jun 29, 2011 2:01 pm

Money is something we all understand..

somewhere in this sea of information someone suggested filling cyclinders on left side with penetrating oil and setting bike on its right side overnight and repeating on the other side the nesxt day. the idea was to get the penetrating power of the lube where it is needed most.

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Re: Help Please No Start

Postby DragonRider » Wed Jun 29, 2011 2:04 pm

Another item that came up. go to your local Honda dealer or to local bike nights and ask about other Goldwing riders. Once you find a few I am sure someone will comeover and help you thru this. we all love working on these machines.

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Re: Help Please No Start

Postby BIGJIM1 » Wed Jun 29, 2011 4:05 pm

DragonRider wrote:Another item that came up. go to your local Honda dealer or to local bike nights and ask about other Goldwing riders. Once you find a few I am sure someone will comeover and help you thru this. we all love working on these machines.


Thanks unfournetly where I live there really are no bike nights :cry: (yet :D ) and the Honda dealer is an hour away however I will need to go to the dealer and will check it out from there. Thanks again for all the support and information.




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