gl1100 - Starting


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riddinglowcr
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gl1100 - Starting

Postby riddinglowcr » Thu Aug 25, 2011 2:47 pm



Hello everybody,
Ok I rebuild my carb and bought me a new starter and solenoid. I checked the starter before i put it in and it turned just fine. I put it in and nothing! I jumped while it was in and nothing (used a car battery)... when i press the bottom i hear the big click on the solenoid. I grabbed a screw driver and touched the 2 bolts on the solenoid and nothing it just sparks.

So i took of the spark plugs and the valve covers and pushed the bike to get the pistons going and found no gas and i can hear the compression.

So then pushed started it and it started up right away with no hustle. One mechanic i talk too said that i might have to take out the rear case to check the chain and make sure that its all right back there... but i wanna see what else i can check before i make any big moves.

Any ideas out for me?? :(



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Re: gl1100 - Starting

Postby WingAdmin » Thu Aug 25, 2011 5:40 pm

Put a voltmeter on the battery and watch the voltage when you hit the starter button. If it drops a few volts, then the starter motor is drawing current, and it's possibly something mechanical. If the voltage remains more or less the same, then you've probably got an electrical problem.

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Re: gl1100 - Starting

Postby riddinglowcr » Thu Aug 25, 2011 6:21 pm

Ok i'll go check that out... thanks :D

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Re: gl1100 - Starting

Postby tedmass » Tue Aug 30, 2011 7:49 am

take a jumper cable (Car jumper cable)( Or heavy gauge wire) go from one side of the solenoid to the other ,see if it turns over. if it does , you have a bad solenoid or +wire also check frame ground for good clean contact. These both happened to me once. Good luck
Be carefull out there

riddinglowcr
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Re: gl1100 - Starting

Postby riddinglowcr » Tue Aug 30, 2011 10:11 am

I push started the bike yesterday, and started just fine. Out of curiosity i pressed the start bottom and the starter turned!. It turned just fine with the first touch.
What does this mean?
Is this is a for sure electrical problem?
I can now confirm that this is not a chain problem?

I also noticed that my fuse box is all rusted up, i was thinking that i should swap it and put a newer one in there. I changed my fuses and noticed that my volt meter is at 12 now and before it was at 11. When the bike is on my meter is almost at 13volt


I have a mechanic coming over with a volt meter to check the wires cuzz i don't know anything about that.

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Re: gl1100 - Starting

Postby RexAubrey » Tue Aug 30, 2011 3:21 pm

judgeing from just the sequence of events that led up to the starter working, I would guess you had hydro lock. when you removed the plugs and then push started it you cleared the hydro lock and that allowed the starter to turn. you should still check the electrical and clean the fuse box at the very least.
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riddinglowcr
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Re: gl1100 - Starting

Postby riddinglowcr » Thu Sep 01, 2011 10:49 pm

You are correct, basically i can push start the bike at all times but the it wont start by it self. It just gives me that big clicking noise and the starter does not turn. Then why will it turn when the bike is on and running?

dan3200
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Re: gl1100 - Starting

Postby dan3200 » Sat Sep 03, 2011 4:48 pm

I recently purchased a GL 1100 I.
When I went to look at it I asked "Does it run?", man said sure thing, got key, put in ign. turned it on ,all the lights came on, hit the starter, NO CHOKE, bike lit right up NO PROBLEM, I said "OK I'll take it."
I did not want to drive it home as it had been out of registry for about 4 years, so I went home, got my trailer, and picked the bike up, took it home, rolled it to it's parking place, and tried to start it.
That was 8 weeks ago, at this time the eng. will only turn over with the plugs removed.
I gave it an oil change, new filter, new brushes in the starter, which turns like a mad dog in my hand, but will not spin eng. with the plugs in, all I get is the loud clunk of the solinoid.
I tried to jump it with the battery in my truck, even put the POS cable directly on the starter power lead, no help.
ANY IDEAS?????

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Re: gl1100 - Starting

Postby tedmass » Sun Sep 04, 2011 1:39 pm

Hope I am wrong (just my 2 cents) Starters will work on a bench fine .But some not under load. It could be you starter is defective in some way. do you have a working starter to test with.my 2cents worth.Good luck
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Re: gl1100 - Starting

Postby cbach1981 » Sun Sep 04, 2011 3:50 pm

I had this problem a short time ago. turned out my brush springs were not pushing the brushes into the communicator well enough. Replaced springs and brushes, cleaned communicator, fires right up now.
    You only need two tools in life - wd-40 and duct tape. If it doesn't move and should, use the wd-40. If it shouldn't move and does, use the duct tape!

dan3200
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Re: gl1100 - Starting

Postby dan3200 » Mon Sep 05, 2011 8:23 am

I was going to try the starter from my 79 GL1000 but it is 1/8th" to long, so I checked out the original one, found nothing wrong inside.
test ran in in my hand for a few minutes, to break in the brushes, It seems to do a little bit better, It will almost turn over pass one compression stroke.
How long do I have to spin the starter to fully seat the brushes?

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Re: gl1100 - Starting

Postby riddinglowcr » Mon Sep 05, 2011 12:23 pm

I have the old one still but have to replacethe brushes. So after doing the fuse box change and the voltage check i will use the old starter with new brushes and see how it goes.

Will keep you all updated to see what happen.

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Re: gl1100 - Starting

Postby WingAdmin » Tue Sep 06, 2011 5:20 pm

dan3200 wrote:I recently purchased a GL 1100 I.
When I went to look at it I asked "Does it run?", man said sure thing, got key, put in ign. turned it on ,all the lights came on, hit the starter, NO CHOKE, bike lit right up NO PROBLEM, I said "OK I'll take it."
I did not want to drive it home as it had been out of registry for about 4 years, so I went home, got my trailer, and picked the bike up, took it home, rolled it to it's parking place, and tried to start it.
That was 8 weeks ago, at this time the eng. will only turn over with the plugs removed.
I gave it an oil change, new filter, new brushes in the starter, which turns like a mad dog in my hand, but will not spin eng. with the plugs in, all I get is the loud clunk of the solinoid.
I tried to jump it with the battery in my truck, even put the POS cable directly on the starter power lead, no help.
ANY IDEAS?????


If I were to make a guess - it would be battery. A weak cell in a battery can show 12 volts at rest, but can't supply anywhere near the current required to turn the engine. Have you checked the electrolyte level in your battery? Put a voltmeter on the battery and watch it when you crank the engine. If it dips down below 8 volts, you've probably got a battery problem.




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