'83 Aspencade rear brake won't release


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'83 Aspencade rear brake won't release

Postby olegrizzly » Fri Sep 02, 2011 9:59 pm



Hello All,

My Aspencade, sitting in garage last couple years, seems to have a brake issue. I took it for a short ride and noted no rear brake. I checked fluid, added same and took another ride with fine rear brake. Upon trying to "push" bike into garage I noted rear wheel was very difficult to turn. Upon on center stand and took lots of effort to turn rear wheel (in the "N"). Appears rear brake pads won't release. Guess I need to bleed rear brake. Not sure just how AND can't seem to find that free download manuel to do it. Any assistance would be greatly appreciated.
Tnx
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Re: '83 Aspencade rear brake won't release

Postby olegrizzly » Sat Sep 03, 2011 10:18 pm

Well, failing to obtain a free service manuel online and after reviewing WingAdmin's photo description of rebuilding his rear caliper, I went ahead and opened the bleed valve on my bike and, sure enough, that released the rear brakes.
I repeated this procedure 4-5 times 'cuz brake would lock up again each time until I bled the line. I suppose I should replace all the brake fluid as it sure looked dirty. Been sitting in garage couple years...................anybody's thoughts, suggestions, etc?
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Re: '83 Aspencade rear brake won't release

Postby giturgun » Sun Sep 04, 2011 5:41 am

You need to remove the rear brake caliper and push out the pistons. This can be done by leaving the line attached or with air pressure. If you use air ( be forewarned the pucks will hurt you when they pop out. A rag will catch them.
Next using a 90 deg pick remove the rubber o rings inside the caliper body and they will have some buildup on them. Use a dull knife or some other scraping tool to remove the build up. You do not want to cut the rings so scrape carefully.
Then you will have to clean out the grooves the rings fit in. I use the 90 deg pick , sometimes one of the little screwdrivers will work for this.
Use new fluid and bleed them when U get it all back together.

The buildup causes the rubber parts to not be able to let the pads return as intended. I just done a CX500 fora friend that when the brakes were applied on the front the caliper had to be struck with a rubber hammer to make them release. It had also sat but for about 10 years.

This is not hard to do and I do mine at every tire change to keep them working proper . I like to be able to stop.
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Re: '83 Aspencade rear brake won't release

Postby olegrizzly » Sun Sep 04, 2011 7:37 pm

Hey Dude,

Thanks tremendoulsy for the info...............I'll see what I can do. I was almost there yesterday but "chickened out" so put her back together. You have lifted my confidence.

BOB

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Re: '83 Aspencade rear brake won't release

Postby giturgun » Sun Sep 04, 2011 8:14 pm

It is not hard to do , just make sure the o rings don't get buggered up. And when reinstalling I rub a little brake fluid on em. Bleeding the brakes will be harder and take longer than the clean-up. If you do run into a hang up just post the problem and get help before trying to fix it and tearing up the parts. I have cleaned a lot of the calipers when I worked on bikes for my income . Back then we always cleaned every caliper set at each pad change. Now all the shops I know just put a C- clamp on the piston and run it in the bore . This pushes dirt and grit and soetimes rust right past the sealing rings and compounds the problem.
Last week a friend brought his 78 Suz 750 over for a yearly tuneup . He said the rear brakes had been changed and ever since they were mushy. I cracked the bleed screw and a little air then some stuff that looked like muddy water ran out. He said they had told him the brakes had been cleaned when the pads were changed.
This is a large and well known Suz dealership. Iam glad to know they don't work on my stuff.

Guess I will have his service work from now on also.
I do a little side work for close friends ,but no major , just tune ups and brake work. I have thought about starting a side line for it ,but that would cut into my riding time .
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Re: '83 Aspencade rear brake won't release

Postby olegrizzly » Sun Sep 04, 2011 9:01 pm

How far did you say Kingsport was from Jamestown, CA????????????

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Re: '83 Aspencade rear brake won't release

Postby giturgun » Mon Sep 05, 2011 6:44 am

If U can get it here I would fix it for U but that is a long way to push 1. Trailer maby. U could get a good workout trying the brakes . Dragon Snake Diamondback are all within about 1 hour from my house .

Drove a truck for a few years and visited Cal a lot , but never was in James town. I was mostly in long beach, los angeles, and up and down the Grapevine .
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Re: '83 Aspencade rear brake won't release

Postby olegrizzly » Mon Sep 05, 2011 9:42 pm

No kidding. Funny you should mention LA. We spent the last 35 years there before moving up here into lovely Jamestown. Well, I guess you musta crossed the Castaic Scales facility prior to heading north up the Grape. I worked there in 1980-81 and was the scales commander in 1996...............hope you didn't have any troubles...........

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Re: '83 Aspencade rear brake won't release

Postby WingAdmin » Tue Sep 06, 2011 10:51 am

It could be this, but more than likely it's a blocked brake fluid return port inside the master cylinder. Have a look at How to rebuild your rear master cylinder, starting at step 17.

It could also be a bound up pivot pin on the rear brake pedal - if the pedal is sticking down, that's the cause.

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Re: '83 Aspencade rear brake won't release

Postby virgilmobile » Tue Sep 06, 2011 2:12 pm

Absolutely the bleeder hole is plugged.proven by relieving the pressure on the line released the wheel.if the wheel was still bound up...THEN the caliper is sticking.

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Re: '83 Aspencade rear brake won't release

Postby thrasherg » Tue Sep 06, 2011 2:32 pm

I was going to say the same thing as wing admin. If opening the bleed valve relieves the pressure on the brake pads, then your problem is NOT with the slave unit (Caliper), but is with the master unit. You must have a blocked return valve or a badly adjusted brake pedal that is not allowing the plunger to fully return in the master cylinder (to expose the return hole). You need to remove the master cylinder and give it a good clean, use a pin to clean out the return hole..

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Re: '83 Aspencade rear brake won't release

Postby virgilmobile » Tue Sep 06, 2011 3:30 pm

Now, I'm not saying that the calipers don't need to be serviced for best results,just that it's not the immediate problem.I didn't want the master cylinder to be ignored.

Considering the service life expectancy, I do suggest removing ALL the brake parts and servicing both ends,including the front system.

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Re: '83 Aspencade rear brake won't release

Postby giturgun » Tue Sep 06, 2011 4:23 pm

Went back and re-read the original post and I missed the released when blead part. That does seem to be the main prob. Still would also do the whole system while I was in there. and had it apart.



:oops: MY BAD

And I should not have missed that part, but am or was having prob with my 1500 starter. I skimmed over it and should have read closer or at least a 2nd time
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Re: '83 Aspencade rear brake won't release

Postby virgilmobile » Wed Sep 07, 2011 11:31 am

Did you get the starter problem sorted out?

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Re: '83 Aspencade rear brake won't release

Postby giturgun » Wed Sep 07, 2011 3:20 pm

Yeah it was the solinoid , stuck closed and ran the battery dead while I was riding. Could not hear it running. I hauled it home and soon as the battery was charged and hooked back it started trying to crank. It fixed itself before I could get it off. Gonna put a Super brite led ( red) on the starter side so it won't happen again. The red led will light when the starter is running and soon as the power is cut it will go black. Will work in reverse also.
Should be able to hit the starter and when the button is released glance at the led to see if it disengages.
Probably be the only one to have this mod also.
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Re: '83 Aspencade rear brake won't release

Postby virgilmobile » Wed Sep 07, 2011 3:37 pm

Good Idea.I'm working on a simple indicator for the charging system.Ideally it will only light under a discharge condition,like the idiot light used to on my 65 rambler.

I just need to work out a "every body can make one of these" schematic with parts from Radidio Shack without getting too complex on design. I'm thinking a zener at 12.5 volt.Normal charge rate is usually just above that.More thinking I must do ...hmmmmmm. :D

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Re: '83 Aspencade rear brake won't release

Postby thrasherg » Thu Sep 08, 2011 9:41 am

MySweetf wrote:I continue to drive my bike on the exhaust valve, and sure enough, that release the rear brake. I repeat this process 4-5 times "CUZ lock brakes again, until I bleed line every time I think I should replace the brake fluid.


I guess I am not smoking the right substances, but I can't even begin to imagine what you are trying to say with the opening statement? I drive on the exhaust valve?? Could you clarify? Just can't make head nor tail of your statement.

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Re: '83 Aspencade rear brake won't release

Postby olegrizzly » Thu Sep 08, 2011 8:46 pm

Roger that!!! 'Splain yourself................exhaust valvel????? I am confused 2!!!!!!

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Re: '83 Aspencade rear brake won't release

Postby virgilmobile » Fri Sep 09, 2011 7:44 am

New York...I'm from there so maybe I can translate...

Here goes.....My bike does the same thing,the brakes would lock up and I release them by opening the bleeder.I did this 4 or 5 times because the brakes continued to lock up.Maybe I should replace the brake fluid.

If the universal translator is correct the response is...
That's not the problem and replacing the fluid won't fix it.The bleeder hole in the brake master cylinder is plugged and not releasing the hydraulic pressure.When driving(about a mile)the calipers heat up and the fluid expands,with no escape,it builds pressure in the caliper and applies the brakes for you.

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Re: '83 Aspencade rear brake won't release

Postby thrasherg » Fri Sep 09, 2011 9:27 am

virgilmobile wrote:New York...I'm from there so maybe I can translate...

Here goes.....My bike does the same thing,the brakes would lock up and I release them by opening the bleeder.I did this 4 or 5 times because the brakes continued to lock up.Maybe I should replace the brake fluid.

If the universal translator is correct the response is...
That's not the problem and replacing the fluid won't fix it.The bleeder hole in the brake master cylinder is plugged and not releasing the hydraulic pressure.When driving(about a mile)the calipers heat up and the fluid expands,with no escape,it builds pressure in the caliper and applies the brakes for you.


Thanks for the translation :D and I agree 100% with the response.

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Re: '83 Aspencade rear brake won't release

Postby whiteeaglepwl » Fri Sep 09, 2011 3:11 pm

If all that dont work try this, Mine was doing the same thing rebuilt the cap and still keep locking up so it might be in your brake pedal i noticed my pedal was staying down and i tool some oil and put on the shaft and never had no problem out of it as of yet. hope you get it and hope this helped

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Re: '83 Aspencade rear brake won't release

Postby olegrizzly » Fri Sep 09, 2011 10:05 pm

Well, since we are on the topic :roll: I heard throught the grapevine that IF you added a gl. of avaition fuel to your fuel tank, it would clean out the carbs( having set for 2-3 yrs with same fuel). I don't know but, was thinking about trying it 'cuz my bike runs like "****" and won't idle. Runs good or at least sounds good at 2500 rpm............anyone, anyone??

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Re: '83 Aspencade rear brake won't release

Postby WingAdmin » Fri Sep 09, 2011 11:09 pm

olegrizzly wrote:Well, since we are on the topic :roll: I heard throught the grapevine that IF you added a gl. of avaition fuel to your fuel tank, it would clean out the carbs( having set for 2-3 yrs with same fuel). I don't know but, was thinking about trying it 'cuz my bike runs like "****" and won't idle. Runs good or at least sounds good at 2500 rpm............anyone, anyone??


Aviation fuel contains lead. Lead, in an engine not designed for it, will leave deposits on valves, foul plugs, and do a bunch of other bad things that you don't want.

You're better off using Seafoam.

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Re: '83 Aspencade rear brake won't release

Postby thrasherg » Sat Sep 10, 2011 11:28 am

WingAdmin is correct about the lead, but as yours in an 83, I suspect it was designed to run on leaded or unleaded fuel so I doubt the AvGas will do any harm. However I don't really see why it would clean out anything either. As suggested I would try adding seafoam to the gas tank, it's designed to clean fuel systems and is easier and cheaper to find than AvGas!! :)

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Re: '83 Aspencade rear brake won't release

Postby thrasherg » Sat Sep 10, 2011 11:31 am

whiteeaglepwl wrote:If all that dont work try this, Mine was doing the same thing rebuilt the cap and still keep locking up so it might be in your brake pedal i noticed my pedal was staying down and i tool some oil and put on the shaft and never had no problem out of it as of yet. hope you get it and hope this helped

Phillip


I also stated this in my first post, the brake plunger must be returning fully, make sure the brake pedal adjustement is not preventing the plunger from returning fully as that will also cause the problem that you have listed. There really are only 2 possible causes for your problem, blocked return hole or incorrectly adjusted brake pedal/plunger, it should be easy to find which is the cause. Let us know how you get on.

Gary




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