We've got no brakes...no sense in steering now!


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We've got no brakes...no sense in steering now!

Postby jeffstatham » Mon Sep 26, 2011 1:52 pm



Hi,
Let me start by saying what a great site this is. Sold my Gl500 Silverwing for $1300 in July and bought a 1983 Aspencade, 87,000 kilometer "Barn find" for $1000. I've almost completed my reserection with many jobs done with the help of this site: new timing belts, tires, rebuilt seized calipers, spliced in new wires where the mouse living in the fairing chewed them away, every single fluid has been changed, front forks and back shocks cleaned and new oil, front fork seals done, rad hoses, fuel lines and filter...the list goes on.

The last problem I'm having though is making this thing stop. She goes great - just doesn't stop very well. The brakes are working but not as well as I think they should be. It won't lock up at all. I've rebuilt all three calipers and put kits in both master cylinders. I've bled the lines until there are no bubbles coming out (played with antique cars all my life so most of this is second nature), but it still doesn't stop like it should. My '82 Silverwing stopped on a dime so I assume the Goldwing should as well. The left caliper doesn't work any better than the right/rear does. Thoughts, suggestions?? My wife says she's not getting on it until I can make it stop! Picky.



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Re: We've got no brakes...no sense in steering now!

Postby virgilmobile » Mon Sep 26, 2011 3:26 pm

Some of the hydraulic pressure may be absorbed by the near 30 year old rubber brake lines.A noticeable improvement at the lever can be achieved by replacing all the brake lines with steel braided ones.

Also,keep in mind,my 1100 with 2 people weighs a bit over half a ton.It's not your average 435 pound bike,and stopping distance is a bit farther than the lighter machine.

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Re: We've got no brakes...no sense in steering now!

Postby jeffstatham » Mon Sep 26, 2011 3:37 pm

Thanks. Yeah, I was sort of thinking of that. There are no leaks coming from anywhere but I'm sure it wouldn't take much expansion of those old lines to make cause a large reduction in braking power. Do you know of a good source for the braided lines?

Thanks again!

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Re: We've got no brakes...no sense in steering now!

Postby virgilmobile » Mon Sep 26, 2011 3:53 pm

Your dilemma has been addressed in other posts.Here's a link....http://www.goldwingdocs.com/forum/viewt ... f=4&t=7449

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Re: We've got no brakes...no sense in steering now!

Postby eklimek » Mon Sep 26, 2011 3:54 pm

Foolish question, I expect. Are the brake pads new? Did you burn 'em in? 10 stops to get the grooves mating with the rotors?

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Re: We've got no brakes...no sense in steering now!

Postby jeffstatham » Mon Sep 26, 2011 7:03 pm

Hi, thanks for the link...I'll check that out.

In regards to the pads - I recycled the old ones....I know, probably not the best when everything else is new but there's lots of meat on them and the rotors are as smooth as glass. Elastic lines sounds like the most likely problem to me.

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Re: We've got no brakes...no sense in steering now!

Postby eklimek » Mon Sep 26, 2011 9:13 pm

Brake Pads #29-3547 | Honda GL1100 (1980-1981) $15

vs

GL1100 (80-82) Stainless Steel Brake Lines-4 line set
Code:Venco:GL1100SS   $221.95

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Re: We've got no brakes...no sense in steering now!

Postby WingAdmin » Tue Sep 27, 2011 9:44 am

I put the Venco lines on my bike, and it was the single best upgrade I have done. The difference in braking was like night and day - from spongy and abstract to razor sharp and powerful. I have no problem locking either wheel if I wanted to.

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Re: We've got no brakes...no sense in steering now!

Postby jeffstatham » Fri Oct 07, 2011 7:12 am

I found a place close to me that had the proper braided lines for $75! I thought I'd try them - the seem good: right length, new bolts and washer included! Picked them up on Monday then came home and installed them.

The brakes are much better - but still not earth shattering. The front left seems really good with lots of pedal (lever?) but it won't lock up. The back and right front are better than they were but there doesn't seem to be a lot of pedal (pedal goes below the floor board before any serious braking happens) and it still won't lock up.

Should I have bench bled the master cylinders first?

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Re: We've got no brakes...no sense in steering now!

Postby eklimek » Fri Oct 07, 2011 8:30 am

Brakes, like audio systems, are only as good as the weakest component permits. SS brake lines get rid of the flex and elasticity of the lines which gives a mushy feel. That's all they do. You have other issues by your description.

Rebuilding brakes was for me a messy, DOT3 spilling, frustrating learning curve. Visiting all components at least twice was my experience. Bleeding brakes is best done by someone with a 6 foot wingspan.

Chuck out old pads/parts, not because you know they are rotten. But merely because you can not bear the thought of them possibly prolonging resolution to your problem. If there is any consolation, on each revisit the parts come apart easier and faster.

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Re: We've got no brakes...no sense in steering now!

Postby jeffstatham » Fri Oct 07, 2011 8:45 am

Like I mentioned earlier, I did re-use the old pads. I have a new set of rears in the package. I think I'll have another coffee, watch some mind numbing You tube videos then go put them on. Your right; at least that will eliminate that possibility.

I have a 1921 Ford where the brake is a single band, soaked in oil, that wraps around a drum inside the transmission. When you push the pedal, the band tightens and the car stops. Much easier! All this modern, new fangled, safe, efficient stuff...argh!

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Re: We've got no brakes...no sense in steering now!

Postby eklimek » Fri Oct 07, 2011 10:15 am

I am somewhat familiar with your observation as neither my 1914 or 1926 T stop as well as the goldwing. Bear with it. It's just a matter of getting fricton between the pads and rotor. Pascal's law applies to juice brakes.

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Re: We've got no brakes...no sense in steering now!

Postby xracer27 » Tue Nov 01, 2011 5:03 pm

Anything new jeffstatham?

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Re: We've got no brakes...no sense in steering now!

Postby scotterichmond » Tue Nov 01, 2011 5:35 pm

when you bled the brakes did you do right front rear left front?




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