Starter problem GL1100 Aspencade


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Starter problem GL1100 Aspencade

Postby gemairpilot » Fri Oct 07, 2011 10:53 am



1983 GL 1100 Aspenpcade. I was out riding, shut off the engine and when I tried to start again , the starter would not turn engine. got the bike home and, removed relay, checked it all out okay.Removed starter, check out okay and runs with power. Sat the starter on the ground and hooked up starter with the bike system, pressed starter button, starter turned over okay. Installed starter but it will not turn engine. Where could problem be? I have the manual and am ready to remove engine to investigate the clutch. Would appreciate help. Thanks, Gerry



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Re: Starter problem GL1100 Aspencade

Postby WingAdmin » Fri Oct 07, 2011 12:10 pm

When you say the starter would not turn the engine - does the starter spin but the engine does not crank, or do you just get a click and nothing at all?

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Re: Starter problem GL1100 Aspencade

Postby gemairpilot » Fri Oct 07, 2011 12:27 pm

With the starter installed I only get a click, that is all.

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Re: Starter problem GL1100 Aspencade

Postby virgilmobile » Fri Oct 07, 2011 12:58 pm

Use a 12 volt lamp test probe.Probe the lug on the starter.Push the start button,if it lights,rebuild the starter,if it doesn't,start working back to the relay.

When I say"probe the lug" I do mean the threaded lug not the wire or connector ring.They can corrode under the nut and washer.

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Re: Starter problem GL1100 Aspencade

Postby WingAdmin » Fri Oct 07, 2011 1:01 pm

OK, then that's not your starter clutch, so don't go tearing into your engine.

You've got one of two problems - mechanical inside the starter itself, or electrical.

First we need to eliminate the electrical. Put a voltmeter across the battery posts to measure the voltage. At rest, it should be showing 12.8 volts or thereabout. Turning the ignition on it should drop slightly, no more than half a volt or so (depending on the health of your battery). Then press the starter button, and watch the voltage reading.

If it drops to 7 or 8 volts when the starter button is pressed, then chances are your battery is either low on electrolyte, or it's otherwise toast.

If it stays at around 10 or 11 volts, then we need to go on to the next step: Put your voltmeter between the starter lug itself (where the power enters the starter) and the negative post on the battery. Press the starter button again. If you're seeing low voltage (again, 7 or 8 volts - i.e. anything less than you measured between the battery posts), then you've got a problem between the battery and the starter. It could be a bad cable, solenoid, or connector. If you still see 10 or 11 volts (same as you saw at the battery) then we'll assume that the problem is with the starter itself.

If it is dropping to 7 or 8 volts, you can confirm the source of the problem by taking a very large wire (like a spare battery cable) and connecting it between the battery's positive post and the starter lug on the starter. If the starter cranks the engine, you've confirmed the problem as electrical between the battery and the starter.

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Re: Starter problem GL1100 Aspencade

Postby gemairpilot » Fri Oct 07, 2011 4:53 pm

Thanks everyone for the help. I have done the tests recommended and so far it appears to be starter. I am going to overhaul it. I will post the results when I get this done and back on the engine. Gerry :)

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Re: Starter problem GL1100 Aspencade

Postby virgilmobile » Mon Oct 10, 2011 7:25 am

Yes it is possible that a starter can spin under a "no load" condition,and be dead with a load on it.Also look carefully at the brushes and bushings.

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Re: Starter problem GL1100 Aspencade

Postby gemairpilot » Mon Oct 10, 2011 4:17 pm

Thanks for the tip Virgilmobile. And thanks to all the comments, it has made my job easier. I now have the starter out and apart. dimensionally ok, continuity checks ok. cleaned it up and going to get new brushes. Commutator was ok and cleaned up good. Will post the final results when it is on the bike. Going to replace the timing belts while I am at it. Cheers , Gerry :)

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Re: Starter problem GL1100 Aspencade

Postby jab2of3 » Wed Oct 12, 2011 6:55 pm

I bought a new starter on ebay for$88.99. It is a lot easier and cheap
thanks,
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Re: Starter problem GL1100 Aspencade

Postby gemairpilot » Thu Oct 13, 2011 9:42 am

Thanks for the post. I have ordered a new starter on Ebay , they will deliver to my door in Canada. Will post when I install it and get the bike going again. gotta get ready to leave for Florida when the snow hits me here :lol:

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Re: Starter problem GL1100 Aspencade

Postby gemairpilot » Sun Nov 06, 2011 11:55 am

Well gang, nothing has worked trying to get the starter installed. I'm getting ready for a winter trip to Florida towing my bike in trailer behind my motorhome. Desperation has me removing the engine, it is now out on the garage floor. The manual gives certain instructions but leaves a lot to be desired. It doesn't mention a number of things that have to be disconnected such as hoses and electrical. Also it is not as easy as it sounds to remove the radiator. There is a baffle on top of the rad that has to be bent out of the way and the rad cap also has to be removed as it hangs up on cables and hoses. What sounded like a days job turned out to be 3 days. Lots of hidden nuts and screws that the manual doesn't talk about and it is written for a bike without any fairings or other equipment. I had other problems but they were associated with it being a trike conversion. Anyway I am ready to remove the rear engine cover , and install the starter. Will also install new timing belts as the front is in the open. Oh yes, had to take off the timing belt covers to get enough clearancce to remove engine. I've tken some pictures to give you an idea of what is involved.Will let you know how this all turns out. Just have to keep smiling. :) :) :) :) :)
Cheers, Gerry
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Re: Starter problem GL1100 Aspencade

Postby virgilmobile » Mon Nov 07, 2011 11:56 am

Sorry your having so much of a problem.If you get it assembled,test it before you put it back in.Please keep us posted.

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Re: Starter problem GL1100 Aspencade

Postby sperryunivac » Mon Nov 07, 2011 7:21 pm

Good luck with the starter motor installation. I had a similar experience with the starter motor and had the engine out also. Be sure that you have a rear engine gasket and also the puler gasket on hand as these may be brittle and could break while removing the rear cover. I worked as carefully as could but the gaskets broke up on me. If you are having an issue installing the new starter motor, it may be that the splines on the new starter are a tighter fit into the small gear that sits on the starter chain. You can try fitting it by hand and comparing it to the fit on the old starter. The used replacement that I bought on ebay was a Honda starter and went on a lot easier than the defective one that I replaced, which by the way was a cheap knock off that the PO installed (internal gears were plastic).
If you do have the rear cover off, the installation of your new starter will be a breeze and you can test it all out (using a fully charged battery) before you reinstall the rear cover. If at all possible try to install the new starter motor before you get to removing the rear cover.
I unfortunately I had one cover bolt snap off which meant more work to drill out the broken stud that remained in the engine case.
Yes I think that the radiator goes in quite easily if the compete fairing and fairing support hardware are not on the bike.
Have fun putting it all back together and with any luck you won't have any bonus parts left over.

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Re: Starter problem GL1100 Aspencade

Postby gemairpilot » Mon Nov 07, 2011 11:20 pm

Hi everyone!!! Today was a good productive day. Removed the rear case without any problems and proceeded to install the starter. It would not go on !! Period!!! I took the new gear out and did a detailed inspection of the two gears. The new gear was just a very tiny bit different and did not sit completely into the chain causing a small misalinement. I put in the old gear and it seated into the chain just fine. The starter went on without any problem. SO!! The new gear was not manufactured to the same specs as the old one and did not seat fully in the chain. I hooked up 12 volts to the starter and it turned the engine over fine. This is something that is a must before putting the engine back in to make sure it works.I will be contacting the company I bought the starter from and see what they have to say. They have been bugging me for feedback so now I will give it to them personally. There a number of small items to watch for when removing and reinstalling the rear cover which I will detail in another posting. Right now I want to get the bike back on the road. Tomorrow I will replace the timing belts and start putting the engine back in. I want to thank everyone who gave me hints during the work I was doing. It sure helps know other people are trying to help you with a problem. Cheers, Gerry :) :) :) :) :)

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Re: Starter problem GL1100 Aspencade

Postby virgilmobile » Tue Nov 08, 2011 3:05 pm

When you leave them a 'feedback' include your "were so sorry for your trouble" return info and include a link to this post so they can see for themselves.A little reimbursement from then wouldn't hurt either :mrgreen: It would be nice to see a synopsis of your troubles , sources and solutions so we can learn or avoid them.




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