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starter click

Postby drmichael@excite.com » Sat Jan 28, 2012 12:15 pm



I started getting a click sound when I tried to start my bike. So I decided to rebuild my starter according to the excellent step by step instructions found on this site. I reassembled the starter and thought I solved my issue.

Problem-when I connect my starter without remounting it on the engine, it will turn and seem to work great when I press the starter button. But when I re-attach it to the engine, I get the same clicking sound from the switch behind the battery. The battery is charged and all the electrics seem to be getting juice and working ok.

Any advice would be helpful.

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Re: starter click

Postby bcassel » Sat Jan 28, 2012 1:01 pm

Sounds like you have a fouled electrical connection, or the starter windings are bad.

since you serviced the starter, lets assume it's good and do some voltage checking at various points;

1. voltmeter across the battery terminals, before and during pushing starter button. No "significant" voltage drop? Bad connections, big drop, bad battery?
2. voltmeter at negative terminal of bat and at starter solenoid output post. Voltage when you push the start button, should be 12.5 or higher, if not, its the solenoid
3. voltmeter on negative and on the stud of the starter. Voltage when start button pushed should be 12.5 or higher, if not, bad connection at this point
4. now, if none of those work, put the negative meter connection to the frame and repeat, could just be a bad battery to frame ground connection

If all the electrical is good, you need a new starter.

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Re: starter click

Postby seabee_ » Sat Jan 28, 2012 8:21 pm

Yes, check your connections. Start with the battery connections. Then work your way back to the starter, just as bcassel says. I would bet that it's with the solenoid.
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Re: starter click

Postby virgilmobile » Sat Jan 28, 2012 9:26 pm

Hydro locked?Pull a 4 plugs,try to crank the engine.if it's hydro locked,it will shoot gas out of 1 cylinder.NO SPARK PLEASE , so kill the ignition with the "kill" switch.

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Re: starter click

Postby seabee_ » Sat Jan 28, 2012 10:43 pm

virgilmobile wrote:Hydro locked?Pull a 4 plugs,try to crank the engine.if it's hydro locked,it will shoot gas out of 1 cylinder.NO SPARK PLEASE , so kill the ignition with the "kill" switch.

Good point virgilmobile. Some people would fail to think of that. (BOOM)
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Re: starter click

Postby RBGERSON » Sun Jan 29, 2012 11:03 am

Quick check to see if all's well EXCEPT your solenoid..take a big old screw driver you don't' care about..key on and jump the two big posts on the solenoid.it will spark and should turn the engine over..if it does and then you try the starter button and all you get is a click..bad solenoid..the metal plate isn't connecting inside. New ones on eBay under $20 with blade fuse..an improvement.

Another quick check jump the starter directly from another battery(car?) positive to starter stud, neg hooked to engine. Touch the stud just for a second..starter should whir and turn the engine if it balks..bad starter or hydro-lock as discussed above..if you loosen the plugs when you do this it will eliminate the hydro-lock if that's the problem..but have the stop switch on off..so no spark IE gas could explore out the the loosened plugs.
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Re: starter click

Postby drmichael@excite.com » Sun Jan 29, 2012 1:36 pm

HI,
I did # 1. Before the I pressed the starter button I go a 11.98 reading. When I pressed the button it was 10.30.
#2. Reading was 10.20
#3. I didn't know where to attach the positive end. I know where the wire connects but not what else you are referring to.

I wonder if my problem could be that I did not reconnect the start right. I tried to put it back in just now and I can't get the starter end and the recepter to match up. When I pull it to the center of the hole, it doesn't stay, so when I try to push the starter in, it won't go. I re attached it before, but I may have screwed up and attached it without the starter male end actually being in the recepter.

I didn't try pulling the plugs because, again, I couldn't get my starter in.

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Re: starter click

Postby bcassel » Sun Jan 29, 2012 2:04 pm

If you only have 11 volts you probably need a new battery. Jump it from a car battery and see if that cures it

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Re: starter click

Postby littlebeaver » Sun Jan 29, 2012 4:46 pm

Your battery is too low I think, get a good charge or replace the battery, once it's started I'd check the charging system, good luck to you, if your not sure how to test the charging system simply put your multimeter leads to the battery while the bikes running, rev. to 4k and watch the readings, should be around 14.50 volts or so but never above 15 volts, I just had a battle with the charging system charging too high, the fella's here helped me out when I was lost and confused.. :D

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Re: starter click

Postby drmichael@excite.com » Tue Jan 31, 2012 6:02 pm

Again-thanks for the help-I wouldn't have a clue without this.

I gave my battery a full charge and checked the voltage.
13.03 on battery
9.36 on battery when starter button was pressed
10.86 on starter with neg to battery and positive on post.
It sounds like the selenoid and the battery.

Please help with this: I still can't put the starter back in. Is the receptor on the timing chain inside the engine hole supposed to be loose or fixed? It is off center, and when I pull it to center, it goes off center immediately, up and in towards the engine.

Thank God it was 55 degrees in Akron today and I can work on it without freezing my butt off!


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Re: starter click

Postby virgilmobile » Tue Jan 31, 2012 6:34 pm

2 possible try's.set the bike on the side stand.the angle may center the sproket.Idea 2 hold it center with your finger and use a large magnet on the outside behind the sprocket to magneticlly hold it in place.

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Re: starter click

Postby littlebeaver » Tue Jan 31, 2012 7:09 pm

The connection at the stud on the starter is probably dirty, get some sandpaper after both ends of the starter cable and try it...then start thinking solenoid, to anwser your question yes the sprocket will lean toward the engine, I have never yet had to put mine on the side stand to get it on, I'm not saying it wrong , the book says to put it on the side stand, I always leave it on the center stand, here's my trick, use the tip of the gear to slide the sprocket over to the center then push in, all in one motion..If it doesn't go in, pull it back off and turn the gear a hair and try it again..Now Virgil's correct a large magnet does better probably and the sidestand drops the sprocket down toward the center..You'll get it.. Stick with it..

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Re: starter click

Postby virgilmobile » Tue Jan 31, 2012 7:53 pm

Just wiggling it works for me as well,I suggested the side stand or magnet because of the difficulty of his install.It seems that above the Mason Dixon line there is a weird magnetic flux that affects starter chains and refit. :lol:

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Re: starter click

Postby drmichael@excite.com » Tue Jan 31, 2012 10:03 pm

thanks-I'll did a big old magnet this weekend and give it a shot! Harbor freight out to have one.
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Re: starter click

Postby drmichael@excite.com » Fri Feb 03, 2012 10:47 am

I took your recommendation and used a magnet to hold the sprocket in place and the starter popped right in. Jumped the battery and still got a click. Am picking up a solenoid on ebay to see if that solves the issue.

Again-thanks for all the help.
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Re: starter click

Postby virgilmobile » Fri Feb 03, 2012 12:35 pm

If it still won't crank, pull the plugs.it still may be hydro locked and no amount of trying to start it will clear that cylinder and roll the engine over

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Re: starter click

Postby littlebeaver » Fri Feb 03, 2012 2:33 pm

Virgil is usually right about this stuff, that magnet trick is pretty good one...He's helped me more than once....

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Re: starter click

Postby drmichael@excite.com » Fri Feb 03, 2012 7:21 pm

I took the plug out and tried to crank it but just got the click, even when I jumped it. The plugs were very wet, though. I think I'll order the solenoid and give that a shot.
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Re: starter click

Postby virgilmobile » Fri Feb 03, 2012 7:54 pm

I verified a bad solenoid once,just like described above.
Be sure the bike is in neutral.Grab a old screwdriver and use it to short the solenoid terminals together.
Yes it will spark,but if the battery and starter are OK,it WILL turn over the engine.
If it still won't crank,then it's back to the battery or starter again.

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Re: starter click

Postby drmichael@excite.com » Sat Feb 04, 2012 7:45 pm

Took the screwdriver to the selonoid posts and it didn't spark. I had the ignition on, even tried a different screwdriver-didn't get anything. Am I missing something?

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Re: starter click

Postby virgilmobile » Sat Feb 04, 2012 10:20 pm

Nope.what you verified with that test is either the starter is not drawing any current,the battery is dead or the battery cables are corroded up.It should have cranked the the engine even with the key off.

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Re: starter click

Postby littlebeaver » Sun Feb 05, 2012 3:23 am

Maybe his ground to frame has a bad connection, that happened to me once...Seems like someone mentioned that already [bcassel]..I removed that neg. cable and cleaned it to shine and put it back, and there was life again and my problems went away....

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Re: starter click

Postby drmichael@excite.com » Sat Feb 11, 2012 6:35 pm

I bought a new solenoid on ebay. I installed it today, tried the starter and still got the click from the solenoid. The battery had a full charge, so I think my next step will be to get another starter. All the connections are clean, so I don't think they are the problem.
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Re: starter click

Postby littlebeaver » Sat Feb 11, 2012 7:19 pm

drmichael@excite.com wrote:I bought a new solenoid on ebay. I installed it today, tried the starter and still got the click from the solenoid. The battery had a full charge, so I think my next step will be to get another starter. All the connections are clean, so I don't think they are the problem.
Mike

Mike before you go and purchase another starter I would try one last test, pull the starter out, lay it on the floor, remove the cable from the stud on the starter, now get a set of jumper cables, place the clamp on the neg post of the battery and to the starter case, the other red clamp to positve and to the stud but just touch it quickly, sucker should spin when you do, if not your starter has a issue, open it up and examine the copper wires in the insides to make sure there isn't a cracked wire if you fine a broken wire solder it like the plumber's do. the wires I'm refering to go to the stud...Now if it spins you have a bad cable somewhere, the neg. the postive, or the starter cable...

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Re: starter click

Postby seabee_ » Sun Feb 12, 2012 1:20 pm

drmichael@excite.com wrote:I gave my battery a full charge and checked the voltage.
13.03 on battery
9.36 on battery when starter button was pressed
10.86 on starter with neg to battery and positive on post.
It sounds like the selenoid and the battery.


Going back to one of your previous posts, did you ever have your battery tested? You need to have a load test done on it. If it is dropping below 10 volts that is not good. Try one more thing. Either try a known good battery or take a good car battery and jump it to the bike battery and try starting it.

One other thought, does the motor turn over? Even by hand? You can put the bike on the center stand and in 5th gear, try turning the back tire, will it spin?


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