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Information and questions on GL1200 Goldwings (1984-1987)
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george44
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Postby george44 » Sun Mar 11, 2012 11:28 am



Hello All
This is my first post to this very helpful sight. After 25 years of abstinence I decided to buy an 1984 Aspencade with 36000 miles on it.I had a 1978 GL 1000 previously. I rode it home and it ran fairly well. Being as old as it was I thought I would look up fourms and came across this site (very informative). Since then I have replaced the timing belts per this sites suggestions, removed and had the carbs cleaned and rebuilt with a randakks kit, also did the stator check it was questionable but thought I could by one more season. That was a wrong thought. This weekend the darn thing decided to die. So now time to decide weather to go with original stator or go the poorboy conversion. I have read a lot here and that there a pros and cons to both ways, any information from past experiance would be very helpful. I was kinda leaning toward the poorboy conversion but can't find an address to purchase from, so if anybody has address information that would help a lot. By staying with the original stator I would have to pull the engine and replace the stator and hope it won't go out again. Oh by the way I did hard solder the three yellow wires together as the plug had pretty much fell apart.
I know this is quite lenthy but thanks for listening

Thanks
Chris



george44
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Re: First Post

Postby george44 » Sun Mar 11, 2012 11:32 am

OOPS you know theres a newbie when they post twice by accident

Chris

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seabee_
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Location: sterling heights, mi
Motorcycle: 1985 Honda Goldwing GL1200
117k miles
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1978 Suzuki GSXr750
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1975 Honda CB360T

Re: First Post

Postby seabee_ » Sun Mar 11, 2012 11:42 am

Try this link. Has installation pics for GM alt and contact email for ordering an installation kit.

http://lloyddotson.com/poorboyalt/index.htm
Paul
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george44
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Re: First Post

Postby george44 » Sun Mar 11, 2012 12:11 pm

Thanks seabee
I will check it out now and send e-mail

Chris

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virgilmobile
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Location: Denham Springs,La.
Motorcycle: 1988 GL1500 I
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83 GL1100 I
83 GL1100 standard
84 GL 1200 I

Re: First Post

Postby virgilmobile » Sun Mar 11, 2012 1:52 pm

Even tho the charging system died,doesn't mean that it is the stator.There are other parts involved too.
Mine wouldn't charge due to a corroded connection feeding switched volts to the regulator.It was a 3 hour/no parts repair.
I have however seen stators with burnt wires and completely inoperative,along with a cooked regulator and wiring.All the direct result of overloading the system and corroded plugs.
It's worth looking over real close before jumping into a retrofit.Not that that's a bad fix.

george44
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Re: First Post

Postby george44 » Sun Mar 11, 2012 2:12 pm

Hello virgilmoble
I have a tendency to jump at the obvious at times so first I started with checking volts at battery with idleing at 2000 rpm 11.96volts. Checked dc volts while running red lead to yellow wire black to ground 2.1 volts on all three. Unpluged large plug from regulator and checked continuty between three yellow wire all were good, then checked continuity to gound should have been open but all showed as grounded. With the regulator unplugged and engine at 3000 rpm yellow wires showed less than 12 volts AC. That is why I think the stator died. I also switched out the dog bone fuse for a marine 30 amp blade fuse.

Thanks for the reply
Chris

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virgilmobile
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Re: First Post

Postby virgilmobile » Mon Mar 12, 2012 9:32 am

Good diagnostics. :geek:
You are unfortunately correct. :cry:
The 3 yellow wires are not suppose to have any continuity to ground,and between any pair of them will show about 30 volts AC when unhooked from the regulator at 1000 rpm.
Sorry about that mate.

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SilverDave
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Motorcycle: 1985 GL1200 GoldWing Aspy

Re: First Post

Postby SilverDave » Mon Mar 12, 2012 2:34 pm

So now that you KNOW its a dead stator ... You have to decide what sort of Four Cylinder Wing owner you are :

1) A poorboy alt conversion is easy to install, and will give you lots more amps for lights, GPS, TV, more lights and possible hot tub ( LOL) as well as being very easy to repair/replace while on the road... Geo Metro alts and Ninso alts are pretty easy to find almost anywhere.
You will have to do a bit of grinding of flanges, and horn mounting brackets , move the rad a bit forward, and possibly heat and expand a bit of fairing but its quite possible on a long weekend, even for a slow but careful mechanic.

2) On the other hand, you can buy quite good replacement OEM type alts, a new reg/rect , and with the help of a friend, lift the engine out just a bit, and re-and re the stator..... and possibly re-do the wiring harness.
I understand that it can be "out and in " in about 12 to 16 hours... and then you will have an original equipped GL1200, operating just the way the 1984 Honda engineers had in mind...( which is MY personal choice )

Both will work well... and enable your 1200 to reach its 250,000 mile mark.. There is no " Correct" answer to what you " Should " do.....


In any case ... welcome to the board, and enjoy your ride on a definite classic.

SilverDave

george44
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Re: First Post

Postby george44 » Mon Mar 12, 2012 8:22 pm

Part of me wants to stay original but the other part says get the poorboy put it in and ride, so that is what I did. The parts were ordered today and we will be on the road again this weekend. The temp is going to be in the 70's here in Kansas.
Thanks for the welcome




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