1984 Goldwing GL1200-not starting when it is hot.


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1984 Goldwing GL1200-not starting when it is hot.

Postby Jameslammax » Sun Jul 01, 2012 8:22 pm



I am having trouble with my 1984 GL 1200 not starting once it has been driven for awhile. I am wondering if it could be the coils? Most places here in Sioux Falls refuse to work on a bike this old because parts are hard to find for it. I am wondering if anyone might know the problem and how difficult parts would be for it ? Also does anyone know where I can find a maintenance manuel for this bike? Thanks for the information.
Jim



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Re: 1984 Goldwing GL1200-not starting when it is hot.

Postby zamboni920 » Sun Jul 01, 2012 8:47 pm

Had same problem. It is a known issue on the 1200's , especially the 84. Best advice i can give is rebuild starter. Either buy a rebuild kit (available from many sources) or at least clean and lube internals of existing starter. When I bought my 1200, starter had recently been professionally rebuilt, yet problem persisted. I cleaned and lubed it anyway. Did help, but barely. Then I replaced the cheapy battery with a top-of-the-line Yuasa battery. Not had a problem since.
Can not say it will do it for you, but it worked for me.
Also make sure all electrical connections are clean and tight.

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Re: 1984 Goldwing GL1200-not starting when it is hot.

Postby zamboni920 » Sun Jul 01, 2012 8:48 pm

Actually, as an afterthought, I should have asked if it cranks slow when hot(as mine did) , or if it cranks fine just won't start?

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Re: 1984 Goldwing GL1200-not starting when it is hot.

Postby goldwinger1 » Sun Jul 01, 2012 10:48 pm

It may be your pulse generators need replacing. If memory serves me correctly, They are located behind your timing belt covers and if you need replacements you can get them from Jim Vennie at Venco WIngs , Inc.... They are somewhere between $80 and $100 a set. Good luck.... the 84's maybe differernt but they were behind the timing belt cover on my 87 Aspy.
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Re: 1984 Goldwing GL1200-not starting when it is hot.

Postby Jameslammax » Mon Jul 02, 2012 7:45 am

Yes, it cranks slow when hot. I will start by rebuilding the starter and go from there. I did purchase a new battery this year and put in it. Thanks for the suggestions. I appreciate it. Jim

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Re: 1984 Goldwing GL1200-not starting when it is hot.

Postby seabee_ » Mon Jul 02, 2012 9:58 am

Does sound like the starter. I would clean it and/or rebuild it. Post back to let us know if it fixed the problem or not. How is the white connector plug located left of the battery? That is known to melt and cause problems. There is a fix for that if it has not been hardwired together(soldered). How old are the timing belts?
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Re: 1984 Goldwing GL1200-not starting when it is hot.

Postby Boyd » Mon Jul 02, 2012 10:32 am

Mine did the same a few years ago. If your battery is a little old it looses cranking amps, especially when hot. I changed my battery and cleaned the connections there, on the solenoid, and on the wire at the starter. I found out that the wire on the starter was a little loose. If it starts great when cold, I'd put an amp load on the battery when it is disconnected. New battery fixed mine right up.

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Re: 1984 Goldwing GL1200-not starting when it is hot.

Postby bustedwing » Mon Jul 02, 2012 11:18 am

Troubleshooting the starting system has been discussed many times on this site and you will be able to find step by step how to's by clicking on the forum and under that the size bike you have. The loder the bikes get the better the chance the connections are working loose, and don't forget ground connections.It takes a few tools to check the battery (even a fairly new one can go bad), the starter draw, and the charging system. If you don't have the proper tools either invest in them or take the bike to a competent technition.The money you save will be well worth it.
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Re: 1984 Goldwing GL1200-not starting when it is hot.

Postby Possum51 » Mon Jul 02, 2012 11:22 am

Just bought my 84 GL1200 and it was doing the same thing, new good battery with a higher CCA (cold cranking amps) rating did the trick. Also I found a good repair manual Haynes book #2199. Covers all 84 - 87 1200 Goldwings.
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Re: 1984 Goldwing GL1200-not starting when it is hot.

Postby MRGONE » Wed Jul 04, 2012 5:10 pm

Hello,i've just joined the site and maybe able to help with the not starting when hot problem,
If it sounds like the battery is flat it probably is the starter,one point on the 84 i must confirm is that the starter can be replaced by placing the bike on the side stand (so that the gear held in position by the chain CAN be realined withthe starter splined shaft and relocate back into position)There is no need to take the engine out no matter who your talking to or what manuals you read!
I did buy and install a rebuild kit on my 84 standard and did the following mod, but according to another site this is the problem with the hot starter.
When the starter gets warm the carbon dustfrom the brushes and any other grime can cause a bad earth,so the Mod is:- clean the starter and Solder a short piece of wire to the base plate of the carbon brushes and crimp and solder an eye connection on to the other end of the wire, drill something like a 4mm diameter hole through the front starter motor casing (position this carefully ) and conect the eye of the wire from the brushes plate with a suitable nut and bolt using lock washers or thread lock to the starter casing.
Oh before you start DO take the exhaust stud (s) out or you'll have more fun,
Another tip is to grind the shamfer off of a socket you use on the bolts holding the starter to the engine so the socket will go further over the bolt head,this can make the difference of getting the bolts out or rounding them off ,
also try the starter before you replace it if the long body casing bolts might need slackening off slightly if it won't turn and also note the positions of the starter casings .
84 starters are different to other models,
And pulse generators on 84's are in a box on the back of the engine so it's an engine out job i think.
On my 86 i've only done the mod with the piece of wire.

I suppose it all depends how you use the bike, the wear on the starter can't really be related to the age or mileage of the bike, all depends how often you press the starter button.
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Re: 1984 Goldwing GL1200-not starting when it is hot.

Postby MRGONE » Fri Jul 27, 2012 6:47 am

Well if my last post was long winded (never really liked essays at school)
The tip with the wire only instead of the rebuild kit actually does work as i've beeen to Benidorm and back and the 86 Aspencade started first time every time.
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Re: 1984 Goldwing GL1200-not starting when it is hot.

Postby Jameslammax » Thu Aug 02, 2012 4:42 pm

Thanks to everyone for the suggestions. I am working 10 hour days right now in 100 degree heat so not working on the Goldwing. I do drive it to work and back with no problem. I will start with the starter and then go from there. I appreciate all the suggestions and advice. It is great.
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Re: 1984 Goldwing GL1200-not starting when it is hot.

Postby virgilmobile » Wed Aug 08, 2012 3:07 pm

When you get to work on it,I found a quicker way to get it off.
http://www.goldwingdocs.com/forum/viewt ... 12&t=13017

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Re: 1984 Goldwing GL1200-not starting when it is hot.

Postby bustedwing » Thu Aug 09, 2012 11:57 am

One other thought, do you smell gas after shut down? If so fuel is pushing past the float and into the cylinder causing hydrolock.I don't think anybody else mentioned that possability.
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Re: 1984 Goldwing GL1200-not starting when it is hot.

Postby gof » Fri Aug 10, 2012 8:09 pm

Jameslammax wrote:I am having trouble with my 1984 GL 1200 not starting once it has been driven for awhile. I am wondering if it could be the coils? Most places here in Sioux Falls refuse to work on a bike this old because parts are hard to find for it. I am wondering if anyone might know the problem and how difficult parts would be for it ? Also does anyone know where I can find a maintenance manuel for this bike? Thanks for the information.
Jim

Fighting the same issue now with my 1984. I cleaned the starter fairly well and put it back together this week. It worked great for one ride. On the second ride, very slow crank when hot. 75% as bad as before. As a note, find Virgils guide for the 84. But unlike his instructions I was able to get the starter in and out in one piece without removing anything. In rotating it slowly within the space somehow in there in one tiny location you can angle it in and out like a miracle.

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Re: 1984 Goldwing GL1200-not starting when it is hot.

Postby MRGONE » Sun Aug 19, 2012 7:46 pm

You need to solder i wire on to the base plate of the carbon brushes, then crimp and solder an eye connector to the other end of this wire, then drill the end casing of the starter and use like a 3mm to 4mm size fastener with lock washers,i always alo emery the mating faces of the engine/ starter faces to ensure a good earth contact.(see my other post on this),
Goods luck Regards Lenny

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Re: 1984 Goldwing GL1200-not starting when it is hot.

Postby gof » Mon Aug 20, 2012 11:04 am

Jameslammax wrote:I am having trouble with my 1984 GL 1200 not starting once it has been driven for awhile. I am wondering if it could be the coils? Most places here in Sioux Falls refuse to work on a bike this old because parts are hard to find for it. I am wondering if anyone might know the problem and how difficult parts would be for it ? Also does anyone know where I can find a maintenance manuel for this bike? Thanks for the information.
Jim


I tried a mild cleaning - slightly improved for one ride.

I then tried an AGM (Glass matt) battery - 5% improved, not worth it.

Bought a rebuild kit and replaced the brush mounting plate and the brushes.
Cleaned the armature lightly with fine grit sandpaper (see instructions on you tube from Steve Saunders)
Avoided replacing all the bearings due to not having the right tools.

This final step has it starting like new.
The final issue is occasional sprague clutch slippage which I intend to try Seafoam flushing and two oil changes.

All of these issues built up slowly, getting worse and worse over 7 years before I put it into storage in 2008.

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Re: 1984 Goldwing GL1200-not starting when it is hot.

Postby MRGONE » Mon Aug 20, 2012 5:28 pm

Thats good,if you start getting problems try the wire from brushes to base plate,to the casing trick i mentioned.thats all i did on my 86.
I'm luccky at work i have access to a press and different size bushes to push the bearings out when i did my 84 Standard this starter is different to the later models and where i come from costs around £300 (sterling)

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Re: 1984 Goldwing GL1200-not starting when it is hot.

Postby DC46 » Thu Mar 14, 2013 6:16 am

I had same issue except I had a bad stator and wasnt recharging battery, after it sat a few would fire rite up...There is a white plug with 3 yellow wires rite in front of battery, take apart and I bet its melted and then do a resistance check, mine had continuity to ground, NOT good...SO I pulled motor, replaced stator and starts fine even when hott...

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Re: 1984 Goldwing GL1200-not starting when it is hot.

Postby squirrel » Sun Mar 24, 2013 6:48 pm

was this issue ever resolved if so what was the solution as i now have the same problem (new battery. all new leads from/to solonoid.starter e.t.c. starter good now stuck .




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