1984 Aspencade Starter Cleanup ?


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1984 Aspencade Starter Cleanup ?

Postby gof » Sun Aug 05, 2012 9:42 am



Next issue. 1984 GW Aspencade - hot starter issue.

Walmart - "Neverstart" bettery - NO CCA specs can be found anywhere! Frustrating. New battery, starts the bike decent when cold at 12.87 as tested on the multimeter.
Once the bike is at operating temp - forget it - turns over so slow its not enough to fire it up.

Is it advisable to just get a Yuasa or similar more powerful battery as a simple fix?

Starter cleanup: If I go this route.
I have read tons of docs here but it still seems unclear...on the 1984 does the exhaust, running boards and gear lever all have to come off?
I took a quick look at it seems I have ZERO room under there. On the 1984 do I have to be on the sidestand or the centerstand?

There seems to be some confusion and I read somewhere here that on the 1984 1200 I need to follow the 1100 instructions?

Can anyone clarify with some links?



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Re: 1984 Aspencade Starter Cleanup ?

Postby zamboni920 » Sun Aug 05, 2012 11:06 am

Gof.....yes, there is ZERO clearance for the starter. I did mine by removing shiftlever (simple procedure), loosen the exhaust header and swivel it down. Do not think I removed the foot peg, but with running boards it might be best to remove. The more room to work, the better. Removing the starter will take a little while, simply to find the perfect angle(Zero clearance). All in all....easier than removing engine :D . I did mine with bike on SIDE stand. The splines on starter shaft engages a sprocket wheel inside engine case. This sprocket wheel will, after starter is withdrawn, swing at the end of a chain. On the side stand, most likely it will stay where it should, and not swing away.
Cleaning the starter , in my opinion, is neccessary, even if you go the HD battery route.
There are all kinds of different suggestions as to fix the problem. I am only commenting on the way I did it....and mine have been problem free since (and I mean problem FREE ) .
I did not rebuild the starter, and it might be advisable to do so while it is out anyway, I only cleaned and lubed.
My impression, on my bike, is that the better battery was the real remedy.
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Re: 1984 Aspencade Starter Cleanup ?

Postby gof » Sun Aug 05, 2012 11:55 am

zamboni920 wrote:Gof.....yes, there is ZERO clearance for the starter. I did mine by removing shiftlever (simple procedure), loosen the exhaust header and swivel it down. Do not think I removed the foot peg, is out anyway, I only cleaned and lubed.
My impression, on my bike, is that the better battery was the real remedy.


Do you have an exact model on your battery in case I go that route? Do you happen to know the CCA of that battery?

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Re: 1984 Aspencade Starter Cleanup ?

Postby gof » Sun Aug 05, 2012 11:59 am

zamboni920 wrote:Gof.....yes, there is ZERO clearance for the starter. I did mine by removing shiftlever (simple procedure), loosen the exhaust header and swivel it down. y.


Can you clarify? I don't see how simply loosening the header will allow it to swivel down as you said. Would I not have to basically drop the whole pipe or 2 pipes on the right side? Are all the pipes connectcted underneath?

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Re: 1984 Aspencade Starter Cleanup ?

Postby tom84std » Sun Aug 05, 2012 3:54 pm

gof, yes they are connected but if you remove all the bolts from one side there will be a little bit of flex. You don't need much to remove the starter and perform the job. Be careful! I did this job a decade ago when the bike belonged to my brother. When I removed the headers I found the tubes looked like swiss cheese, full of rot and holes, especially nearest the flanges. I ended up spending hours tig welding them up with scab patches and steel rod. What started as a simple starter freshening up turned into an all day job. The grease inside the starter is about three decades old. My favorite solvent and method is lots of WD40 and clean rags. When I did my '79 1000 I bought new brushes but when I got inside I found the old ones to be nearly like new so I left them in. Clean the starter this way and install fresh new grease and it'll last until we're all too old to ride.

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Re: 1984 Aspencade Starter Cleanup ?

Postby zamboni920 » Sun Aug 05, 2012 7:20 pm

Not sure of the exact model number of battery. The info is on top, and I will have to remove it to read. The front only says Yuasa High Performance Super Sealed YMF .
As for the exhaust header.....the cross over is further rearward from the "swivel point". See attached photo. On mine there is an ugly clamp at this point....I loosen the clamp, and remove header flange bolts, and it swivels down.
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Re: 1984 Aspencade Starter Cleanup ?

Postby virgilmobile » Sun Aug 05, 2012 7:37 pm

Usually a bunch of stuff has to come off to get the starter out of the 1200..
However I have found a easier way and I have the pictures to prove it.Just for fun,I serviced mine.the whole project took 3 hours.
To remove the starter without removing the exhaust,simply remove the 2 screws that hold the gear reduction head on the starter,put the starter back in place and remove the motor.It tilts right out.do the repairs and bench test it.
Put the gear head back in and tilt the motor back in the cavity.The hardest part is slipping the gear head back on the motor.My first stab was off one tooth and both screws wouldn't line up.A easy realignment and it was finished.

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Re: 1984 Aspencade Starter Cleanup ?

Postby zamboni920 » Sun Aug 05, 2012 7:53 pm

Haha Virgil....great idea, I was thinking of doing that when I did mine, but didn't know what might fall out of the starter head in the process. Glad to know it can be done that way though.
http://www.htctech.net/~squirts/techtips.htm#starter

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Re: 1984 Aspencade Starter Cleanup ?

Postby virgilmobile » Tue Aug 07, 2012 10:38 pm

Here's my post on my own 1200 starter...viewtopic.php?f=12&t=13017
I also read about the stoplight trigger magnet.
In Louisiana,there are enough Motor cops that we added to the law that it was now legal for a motorcycle to proceed cautiously through a sensor operated intersection that will not activate due to the lack of mass to trigger the light.
Pretty cool.I actually do that.




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