Starter clutch not engaging/'84 Aspencade


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Re: Starter clutch not engaging/'84 Aspencade

Post by Bambosz » Sat Nov 26, 2016 11:55 am



Sorry for reminder of the old thread, but I have the same problem as guys above :/


Bought her 1 - 2 months ago. Came to home (about 100 km) and started ... renovation (chnageing filters, fluids, oil, etc.)
I changed oil in my gold 1200 aspen (84) to full synthetic [motul] (not sure what was in int before :/). During all work in garage I started her maybe 20 times for about 10 min.
Now she dont want to start. I remove engine, replace starter cluth ... springs and rollers (2 springs were shorter), put everything back and the problem is still the same. She want crank the engine.
She crank engine only when I remove all spark plugs.

Now I'm trying to clean it (oil) using liqi molly (something like your seafoam) - engine cleaner. Its hard to do because she cant start, im moving engine using only starter (and wheel - as long as i can rotate it on 2 / 3 gear ;D) to move oil with cleaner inside engine.
Is it true, I cant use full synthetic oil, that its to slippery ? O_O
Can I use half synthetic oil ?

Any tips ?

Thanks for help
and best regards from poland ! ;)



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Re: Starter clutch not engaging/'84 Aspencade

Post by CrystalPistol » Sat Nov 26, 2016 7:22 pm

You can use 100% synthetic oil if you like. You can use 1/2 dino oil with 1/2 synthetic OK. Dino oil is also .... OK. Blends are "OK" as well.

You should not use thick oils like 20W50, etc. 10w40 or 10w30 is good. Too thick and rollers stick in starter clutch and she just spins without ever engaging.

You should not use any oil with friction modifiers like .... specifically .... MOLY. Moly = bad for clutch disc.

You may have a "starter motor fault", may not be the clutch at all. If it's the clutch, the starter motor spins but engine does not turn over. If it's a starter problem, the clutch engages but the starter lacks the power to turn the motor over. Could be the brushes, could be the brush plate (steel) to starter housing (aluminum) connection which is just a press fit, is corroded. There is a thread here someplace on how to positively ground the brush plate ..... I did my '85's starter 16 years ago and it made a big difference then when the bike was much younger.
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Re: Starter clutch not engaging/'84 Aspencade

Post by Bambosz » Sun Nov 27, 2016 2:48 am

Thanks for answer.
Starter is ok - working as new (remove it, clean, etc.) ^_^

Yesterday I replace oil to "old one" (just for test - old mean not burn, and ditry as hell) half synthetic and problem is solved :)
Evetyhing works fine, she start in a second. Moly ... was added just to clean it one time - thought some dirt could realy clogged something in engine.
Good news is, I remove molly with full synth oil, and now i wash it out also with "old oil". Maybe there will be no moly after weekend, when I add new oil ;D
Need to buy next new oil bottle :/

I used that one (full synth): 10W40. Everyone says, thats good company ... but who knows :/
http://www.bikespeeduk.com/images/uploa ... Filter.jpg

Suppose i need use half synthetic, it's look like full synthetic is seriously to slippery for cluth :/
As I see that bike was bought from someone who was working on it. Has "Goldwing Club" sticker, and it's working

Hah, I replace filters, fluids, clutch, "paint" some parts + paint engine.
Now need to regenerate rear shock absorber - cant blow it up (air is going out somewhere).
+ need to check front absorbers
+ make "new" seat in upholstery - seams gave way in some places ;D


Anyway, thanks for answer and help :]

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Re: Starter clutch not engaging/'84 Aspencade

Post by peltonjohn » Sat Oct 14, 2017 2:30 pm

Same problem: starter spins but does not engage, so it sounds like a sludge problem at the clutch. Here's the twist: I'm running Mobil One 5W-20 with a K&N High Flow filter. Is this part of the problem?

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Re: Starter clutch not engaging/'84 Aspencade

Post by AZgl1800 » Sat Oct 14, 2017 2:36 pm

The type of oil is not the problem, as long as it is fresh and clean.

If in doubt about the clutch not engaging, put 4 oz of Sea Foam in the engine oil and ride for a 100 miles or so.... ( got to get the engine started first though :D )

That should turn the clutch loose.
have some helpers give you a push start?
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Re: Starter clutch not engaging/'84 Aspencade

Post by peltonjohn » Mon Oct 16, 2017 1:49 pm

Thanks. I did change the oil anyway, because several posts indicated that synthetics with friction modifiers are too slippery and can affect the operation of the sprag clutch on the starter. I also added a pint of Sea Foam and will get some miles in after Wednesday.

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Re: Starter clutch not engaging/'84 Aspencade

Post by peltonjohn » Mon Oct 16, 2017 2:04 pm

Kapochek wrote:
Sat May 16, 2015 11:44 am
I eventually swapped the clutch along with the first stator replacement (3 in a year, poorboy next!). I've put over 130k on her with Spectro 'blue-cap' 10W40 and have gone through 2 more starters, but nothing else starter-wise!!
Kapochek, three stators in a year? What was your choice for stators and what did they cost? I did mine recently and bought mine from Rick's Motorsports. I've heard that their quality is excellent. Definitely more expensive, admittedly.

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Re: Starter clutch not engaging/'84 Aspencade

Post by peltonjohn » Mon Oct 23, 2017 4:35 am

Just a quick update: I changed out the Mobil 1 for regular 10W-30 and a pint of Seafoam, then rode 65 miles. I then changed out the oil again, using the regular 10W-30. I haven't had a single problem with the starter clutch since the original changeout. It works.

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Re: Starter clutch not engaging/'84 Aspencade

Post by gervais » Fri Nov 03, 2017 5:07 pm

hi all
what is that "seafoam" everyone is talking about?
i never heard of that here,
does it has a part number,,
how it is named???

thanks too inform me,i will do it in my engine,,,i dont know if it has been done and by what i have found so far
on my used bike i really dought

thanks
gervais

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Re: Starter clutch not engaging/'84 Aspencade

Post by peltonjohn » Sat Nov 04, 2017 5:59 am

Seafoam is an additive that costs about $7.00/pint and can be found at your local auto parts store. it works to clean the engine of sludge and other accumulations and can be added to either the oil or gas. Here's a link:

http://knowhow.napaonline.com/sea-foam- ... ou-use-it/

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Re: Starter clutch not engaging/'84 Aspencade

Post by gervais » Sat Nov 04, 2017 6:39 am

well,i am using Castrol Syntech in all my engine except the GoldWing,i wonder how SeaFoam react with the additive that contains the syntetic oil of Castrol???

thanks for your response,i will buy 2 cans

gervais

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Re: Starter clutch not engaging/'84 Aspencade

Post by WingAdmin » Sat Nov 04, 2017 7:43 pm

gervais wrote:
Sat Nov 04, 2017 6:39 am
well,i am using Castrol Syntech in all my engine except the GoldWing,i wonder how SeaFoam react with the additive that contains the syntetic oil of Castrol???

thanks for your response,i will buy 2 cans

gervais
It will work just fine. Keep in mind that Seafoam is a solvent and surfactant, and will thin your oil - so go easy on your engine when it is in the crankcase. Go ride it easy (no hard acceleration) for 100 miles or so, then drain the oil and replace with fresh.

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Re: Starter clutch not engaging/'84 Aspencade

Post by biged7209 » Thu Nov 16, 2017 7:50 pm

Greeting!

I have an 86 Aspy and am experiencing the starter clutch issue. I have just finished the first step in the Seafoam process - oil change, add Seafoam, and ride for 30 mins. When draining the oil, it looks as clean as it did when I put it in there. Is this to be expected? Or does it mean that I don't have any build up in the crankcase???

Thanks for the help.

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Re: Starter clutch not engaging/'84 Aspencade

Post by WingAdmin » Thu Nov 16, 2017 11:23 pm

biged7209 wrote:
Thu Nov 16, 2017 7:50 pm
Greeting!

I have an 86 Aspy and am experiencing the starter clutch issue. I have just finished the first step in the Seafoam process - oil change, add Seafoam, and ride for 30 mins. When draining the oil, it looks as clean as it did when I put it in there. Is this to be expected? Or does it mean that I don't have any build up in the crankcase???

Thanks for the help.

Eddie
When I did mine, I had chunks of sludge and the oil had turned grey. It was nasty. How much Seafoam did you put in?

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Re: Starter clutch not engaging/'84 Aspencade

Post by biged7209 » Fri Nov 17, 2017 10:40 am

I put in 3 1/2 quarts of oil and 8 ozs of seafoam.

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Re: Starter clutch not engaging/'84 Aspencade

Post by biged7209 » Sat Nov 18, 2017 10:53 am

Maybe I didn't ride it far enough? I rode it for about 30 mins (about 20 miles). Looks like most posts say 100 miles?

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Re: Starter clutch not engaging/'84 Aspencade

Post by DenverWinger » Mon Nov 20, 2017 12:17 am

If you suspect cleaning is needed it wouldn't hurt to do even 200 miles of 'easy' riding....
They say 98% of all Hardleys ever made are still on the road..... The other 2% made it home. :lol:
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Re: Starter clutch not engaging/'84 Aspencade

Post by biged7209 » Wed Nov 22, 2017 6:52 am

I put about 100 miles on it. Drained the oil. It was kinda gunkie. Hot temp starting was better. Decided to try some MMO in the fresh oil change. Rode to town and back. It only spun once on the hot start. A definite improvement. Will put some more miles on it today. Keeping my hopes up.

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Re: Starter clutch not engaging/'84 Aspencade

Post by biged7209 » Thu Nov 23, 2017 10:30 am

Put about 75 miles on her yesterday with several stops. Started right up every time. I'm happy. Will probably drain this oil MMO mix out in the next couple of days and go back to plain old Valvoline.



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