Starter -- Replace or Rebuild??


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Starter -- Replace or Rebuild??

Postby Gkopriva » Thu Oct 04, 2012 11:51 am



Hi all,

As a new owner of an '84 GL1200A I find myself with a new problem. The starter is grinding -- certainly laboring as it tries to turn. I had to give it some light taps with a hammer to even get some movement but just not enough to turn it over. Is it advisable to start with a new starter or attempt to rebuild this one --- while I'm not a mechanic by any stretch I am willing to try and change/rebuild the starter myself. I'm hoping others may have some thoughts or suggestions with the best way to proceed. Thanks!



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Re: Starter -- Replace or Rebuild??

Postby SilverDave » Thu Oct 04, 2012 2:48 pm

The hard part is actually getting it outa your Wing ... Especially if you have boards, guards, etc, etc...
Once its out, I found that any local starter/generator Auto shop will clean it, check both bearings, re-brush it, and bench test it for not much $$$
Mine cost only about $30, about 5 years ago...
Price it out in your area....

.Or you can easily do it yourself.. But one has to compute the running around factor as well... Driving to a supplier to get new brushes... then back again for new bearings, etc.


Don't forget that it is a 28 yo machine, with a lotta miles...

Your starter probably has a pound of black , stcky crud in it ... mostly ground up brush carbon...
As long as you are re-and re-ing the starter.. look at all the ground connections, starter relay, battery connections, to be sure its not grinding slowly because of one of them.

Additionally, a quart of MMO in the oil, ride 100 miles, drain oil, repeat...
will work wonders in cleaning out grundge in the starter pawls...

SilverDave

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Re: Starter -- Replace or Rebuild??

Postby feetup » Thu Oct 04, 2012 2:54 pm

While a new OEM starter is no longer available for the 84, and that motor is particular to that model year, you may find something aftermarket on E Bay, although I have no idea of the quality.
Many folks have rebuilt their starter to virtually new condition as it's not all that difficult, and parts are available.
Buying a used starter motor would not put you any farther ahead than you are now unless that starter has been rebuilt, or unless yours is totally trashed. All the 1984 starters out there are just as old as yours. :D

WingAdmin has written a superb article on how to remove, rebuild, and re-install the starter on an 1100 in the "how to" section of this site. viewtopic.php?f=11&t=259
The '84-1200 starter is close enough to the 1100 so that the instructions will cover you perfectly well.

There is also a very good article here http://www.goldwing-riders.com/uk/forum9/36.html using an 84 motor to illustrate.

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Re: Starter -- Replace or Rebuild??

Postby ronscycle1 » Thu Oct 04, 2012 6:27 pm

do i have to worry about the gear moving out of place, that the starter fits into

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Re: Starter -- Replace or Rebuild??

Postby trukr » Thu Oct 04, 2012 8:23 pm

I also have an 84 that had starter issues. I rebuilt my starter only to have it be worse than it was before I started. A local shop checked out my starter and found that the windings were bad. Cost me $100 to get it fixed, which was still less than most starters I found on ebay for the 84s. I did however get lucky enough to find a rebuilt one for a good price, so now I have a backup starter since it's getting really hard to find starters for an 84. So in my experience it's better to have a professional shop check the starter and rebuild it. Instead of doing it yourself and then having to take it back out again. Yes it is possible that the gear and chain move inside the case when removing the starter. I put my bike on the side stand when I did mine and had no problems. Good luck to you. :mrgreen:

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Re: Starter -- Replace or Rebuild??

Postby Gkopriva » Thu Oct 04, 2012 8:45 pm

Thanks everyone for your advice and documentation!!! Looks like i'll be pulling off the starter this weekend.

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Re: Starter -- Replace or Rebuild??

Postby feetup » Fri Oct 05, 2012 9:25 am

Post if you have any issues or questions, and let us know how it all comes out in the end.

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Re: Starter -- Replace or Rebuild??

Postby Gkopriva » Sat Oct 13, 2012 11:02 am

Ok, digging in! replaced the solenoid first and tested. Clearly more power getting to the starter but still getting the grinding of a very slow spin. Starting the removal of the starter -- power off, two bolts out. Took a break before I attempt to remove the loosened starter. Taking plenty of pics as I go.

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Re: Starter -- Replace or Rebuild??

Postby Gkopriva » Sat Oct 13, 2012 11:40 am

Well after awhile of jiggling and wiggling I cannot see a way to get the starter out -- simply not enough room or more likely I am not hitting that one angle to get it out. I think I'll try splitting the starter in two by unscrewing the two side screws and see if i can get it our in halves

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Re: Starter -- Replace or Rebuild??

Postby SilverDave » Sat Oct 13, 2012 6:41 pm

No, no... don't do THAT !!!
if you can only get it out by cracking the case.... how are you going to get it back in, after re-building it ???

It is possible to get it out by a circuitous wiggling path... What exactly is it hitting ? Muffler ? crash bar ???

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Re: Starter -- Replace or Rebuild??

Postby Gkopriva » Sun Oct 14, 2012 12:32 pm

Dave, after looking at the situation more clearly I needed to remove the gear lever, I also have chrome cage that happens to have a bar that runs between the exhaust pipes. Once I get this out I think it will come out. Will be jumping back in shortly. Thanks for the advice -- I too was not keen in splitting the starter up as was mentioned in another doc especially as i am far from a mechanic. :)

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Re: Starter -- Replace or Rebuild??

Postby Gkopriva » Wed Oct 17, 2012 2:35 pm

ahhh -- nope --- cannot get the starter out in one piece. I've wiggled /turned/ prayed / to no avail. Not one to give up - I am going to separate the starter into two pieces and see if I can get it out that way.

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Re: Starter -- Replace or Rebuild??

Postby virgilmobile » Wed Oct 17, 2012 3:02 pm

SilverDave wrote:No, no... don't do THAT !!!
if you can only get it out by cracking the case.... how are you going to get it back in, after re-building it ???

It is possible to get it out by a circuitous wiggling path... What exactly is it hitting ? Muffler ? crash bar ???

SilverDave


My 84 did not wiggle out anywhere.I would have to remove the exhaust.Bad enough I had to remove the shifter lever.
This post shows how I split the gearhead off the motor to get it out.All the parts are captive,so no dropped gears.Realigning the motor took 2 stabs at it,not real hard,just don't use a lot of force.viewtopic.php?f=12&t=13017

Don't be scared of it SilverDave,it won't bite :D

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Re: Starter -- Replace or Rebuild??

Postby Gkopriva » Wed Oct 17, 2012 3:39 pm

Thanks Virgilmobile --- I'm on it !

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Re: Starter -- Replace or Rebuild??

Postby Phunnybone » Wed Oct 17, 2012 7:59 pm

I had to drop my exhaust header to get mine out. Couldn't get the starter rotated far enough to get that third screw holding the gear end on. Of course I had to remove the chrome engine guard with footrest before I could drop it down.

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Re: Starter -- Replace or Rebuild??

Postby Gkopriva » Wed Oct 17, 2012 8:47 pm

Pleased to say the starter is off! As luck would have it the rear screw was stripped and I had to carefully cut off the screw head. Once that was off I was able to place the starter back in its original position and separarted the two halves. The motor portion came out relatively easily and then the gear head. I've decided that this was enough of an accomplishment for the night and will open the starter up tomorrow. More to follow!

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Re: Starter -- Replace or Rebuild??

Postby virgilmobile » Wed Oct 17, 2012 8:54 pm

Phunnybone wrote:I had to drop my exhaust header to get mine out. Couldn't get the starter rotated far enough to get that third screw holding the gear end on. Of course I had to remove the chrome engine guard with footrest before I could drop it down.

See , there are differences in starters.My 84 has just 2 screws holding the gearhead on.Hmmm




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