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seafoam

Postby dano955 » Thu Oct 11, 2012 5:25 pm



i having trouble with my 1985 interstate starter spinning and not engaging the engine--on this forum i've been advised to add seaform and drive the bike 100 miles to clean the sludge out of the starter clutch---i have the front wheel off waiting for some parts that, because of an error on my part, it will be about a week before i receive the parts--my question is can i jack the rear end up (i can keep hitting the start button and the starter will engaged the engine) start the engine and let it run in gear without doing any damage being done and what gear would be recommend



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Re: seafoam

Postby WVJefo » Thu Oct 11, 2012 8:43 pm

Dano

If you got a week why not pull the starter?? Some good post here how to do it & clean it up.

Don't run the engine & hope the starter get fixed.. Just go at the starter.

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Re: seafoam

Postby Wingrider63 » Thu Oct 11, 2012 9:27 pm

I had a similar situation with my84. I added seafoam and bumped the starter until the starter engaged. I let it run for awhile then repeated the cycle several times and the problem hasn't returned.

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Re: seafoam

Postby virgilmobile » Fri Oct 12, 2012 7:04 am

Yes to your question,however there is no reason to have it in gear.
There's no reason to remove the starter.Your slipping starter problem is buried deep and high inside the rear of the engine.
Here's a pix...I hope it clarifies this.

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Re: seafoam

Postby pudd750 » Fri Oct 12, 2012 8:31 am

how much seafoam is recommended ? ill do it to my 86- its always had sticky lifters one loud one for a few seconds when cold, then it pumps up after a few seconds

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Re: seafoam

Postby Phunnybone » Fri Oct 12, 2012 10:13 am

Got a nice surprise at my NAPA today . . . Seafoam was on sale for $6.56!!!!

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Re: seafoam

Postby WingAdmin » Fri Oct 12, 2012 3:08 pm

pudd750 wrote:how much seafoam is recommended ? ill do it to my 86- its always had sticky lifters one loud one for a few seconds when cold, then it pumps up after a few seconds


I normally use 1/2 can in my crankcase.

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Re: seafoam

Postby rdraidr » Tue Oct 16, 2012 10:02 pm

WingAdmin wrote:
pudd750 wrote:how much seafoam is recommended ? ill do it to my 86- its always had sticky lifters one loud one for a few seconds when cold, then it pumps up after a few seconds


I normally use 1/2 can in my crankcase.



WingAdmin, Your idea with the Seafoam sounds good. Did you remove an equal amount of oil or did the 1/2 can just bring yours to the maximum level?
Thanks.

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Re: seafoam

Postby WingAdmin » Wed Oct 17, 2012 9:29 am

rdraidr wrote:WingAdmin, Your idea with the Seafoam sounds good. Did you remove an equal amount of oil or did the 1/2 can just bring yours to the maximum level?
Thanks.


I filled the crankcase with oil until it got to the bottom of the dip stick, then poured in half a can of Seafoam, which brought it up almost to the full mark on the dipstick.

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Re: seafoam

Postby rdraidr » Wed Oct 17, 2012 12:11 pm

How long did you keep it in? 1,000? 3,000? Until you noticed/heard a change?

Thanks.

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Re: seafoam

Postby WingAdmin » Wed Oct 17, 2012 12:25 pm

rdraidr wrote:How long did you keep it in? 1,000? 3,000? Until you noticed/heard a change?

Thanks.


No, you want it in there only long enough to dislodge sludge, and not so long that the sludge is redeposited elsewhere. So put it in with a fresh oil change, go out and ride for an hour or two, then change the oil again.

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Re: seafoam

Postby feetup » Wed Oct 17, 2012 1:55 pm

I had issues with my starter clutch as well. Not always, but often when cold and sometimes even when hot, even with 10W 40 oil.
I didn't use sea foam, but started on a regime of short drain intervals, three or four times a season. It got better and better, and now I am able to run 20W-50 oil and it hasn't missed for a year. I will continue the short drain intervals since it makes me feel good about the internal cleanliness of my engine. Even at 1000 miles the oil is beginning to darken and the transmission become a little more noisy.
That is not to say that I don't respect sea foam, because clearly it works very well for many folks, it's just hard to find where I live.

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Re: seafoam

Postby SilverDave » Thu Oct 25, 2012 10:55 am

Frequent oil changes are an excellent idea for a 1200...

1) -- About 15 years ago, a scientist, Dr. Woolam ( and motorcycle rider ) , did an extensive oil review , using several viscosity tests at his lab, on motorcycle oil ..
http://www.kawasakimotorcycle.org/forum ... -oils.html
and
http://www.xs11.com/xs11-info/articles/ ... -oils.html

He found that many regular oils ( not all) had started to lose viscosity by 1500 mi, and most of the additives had broken down by 2000 mi...

( and oil is certainly one of the cheapest parts of owning a Wing )

2) The whole stator failure thing is quite complex :
A crappy 3-prong plug, not designed for higher voltage, Oil immersed stator, weaker stator varnish covering construction, and so on..

But many of these things do NOT happen on other older Wings with air immersed stators..

I have read, several times that getting older, highly corrosive oil out of there is being very kind to your stator ... at least to the varnish covered windings.

3) Short drain intervals, as Feetup points out , will remove all sorts of sludge from the tiny channels, maybe not as fast as MMO , or Seafoam, but still... will remove some..

I change mine as often as I can ... certainly ever time I find motorcycle oil on sale, when on longer trips, and in spring and fall.

An older Bike rider once advised me to " Winterize " my machine by draining the oil in the fall, filling it with inexpensive ($12 / gal ) , no additive Diesel oil, run it for 5 minutes... and in the spring, throw this " Rinse and storage " oil out, and add the correct motorcycle oil.

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Re: seafoam

Postby WingAdmin » Thu Oct 25, 2012 2:26 pm

SilverDave wrote:Frequent oil changes are an excellent idea for a 1200...

1) -- About 15 years ago, a scientist, Dr. Woolam ( and motorcycle rider ) , did an extensive oil review , using several viscosity tests at his lab, on motorcycle oil ..
http://www.kawasakimotorcycle.org/forum ... -oils.html
and
http://www.xs11.com/xs11-info/articles/ ... -oils.html

He found that many regular oils ( not all) had started to lose viscosity by 1500 mi, and most of the additives had broken down by 2000 mi...

( and oil is certainly one of the cheapest parts of owning a Wing )



I've put a fair number of miles on my GL1500 this year, around 8,000 (so far). I normally change my oil at 1,500-2,000 miles or so. I use a very high quality, full synthetic oil, so with an OEM filter, it's around $45 to change the oil. I figured It probably would be alright to stretch that to 3,000 miles, seeing as the Honda maintenance schedule has you changing it every 8,000 miles.

I noticed recently that my bike was feeling kind of notchy when shifting, and it might have been my imagination, but it seemed like the transmission was just making a bit more noise overall. I checked the oil - still looked reasonably clean, certainly not the black syrup that comes out of my truck after 3,500 miles. The level was fine as well. I checked my records - 3,250 miles since the last oil change. I changed the oil, and the noise and notchy shifting immediately disappeared.

I'll be keeping my oil change schedule at 2,000 miles from now on.

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Re: seafoam

Postby feetup » Thu Oct 25, 2012 2:46 pm

Well said WingAdmin!
I find I use the "sonic" method for determining oil changes on my 1200 Interstate as well.
The 1200's make a lot of strange noises in their transmissions, and now after 4 years with this bike I can hear the differences when the oil gets 1500 to 2000 miles old, depending on riding conditions. Hot weather definitely shortens the life of the oil and hastens the gravel crusher sounds. Fresh oil makes such a difference, it's almost hard to believe.
I don't really care how much an oil change costs, (although I only bought the best Motul synthetic once. Comes with a second mortgage application) this is my toy and I love to lavish such care on it. When I bought the bike I often had starter clutch issues, even with 10-40 oil. Now after four seasons of short changes I can run 20W-50 conventional Motorcycle oil and only had it miss engage once, on a very cool morning.

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Re: seafoam

Postby SteveB123 » Thu Oct 25, 2012 6:46 pm

SilverDave wrote:Frequent oil changes are an excellent idea for a 1200...

1) -- About 15 years ago, a scientist, Dr. Woolam ( and motorcycle rider ) , did an extensive oil review , using several viscosity tests at his lab, on motorcycle oil ..
http://www.kawasakimotorcycle.org/forum ... -oils.html
and
http://www.xs11.com/xs11-info/articles/ ... -oils.html

He found that many regular oils ( not all) had started to lose viscosity by 1500 mi, and most of the additives had broken down by 2000 mi...

( and oil is certainly one of the cheapest parts of owning a Wing )


Uh-huh...and he also thinks it's a dandy idea to use car oil in bikes!

"In any case, again I could find nothing to support the argument that automotive oils were somehow less effective than motorcycle-specific lubricants when used in a motorcycle.
It could appear from this data, then, that there is no validity to the constantly-used argument that motorcycle-specific oils provide superior lubrication to automotive oils when used in a motorcycle".

AND his study is 18 years old.
Current:82 GL1100 Interstate, 60 Amp Poorboy, MSD coil
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Re: seafoam

Postby Ghostrider52005 » Thu Oct 25, 2012 11:01 pm

Cant add much to this except personal experience, Put regular automotive oil in a Suzuki vs 700 and you will get instantly slipping clutch, drain it back out and put in bike oil and clutch is fine. That by itself is enough for me not to put auto oil in a wing. :mrgreen:

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Re: seafoam

Postby feetup » Fri Oct 26, 2012 8:59 am

Let's not start the Auto oil vs. Motorcycle specific oil argument here! We've been through that.
It's almost become a religious battle. :lol:

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Re: seafoam

Postby dagodave » Sat Oct 27, 2012 3:19 pm

wots seafoam when its in england :geek: :twisted:

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Re: seafoam

Postby feetup » Mon Oct 29, 2012 9:35 am

According to the MSDS safety data sheet Seafoam is 40-60% light oil (Pale Oil) 25-35% Naptha and 10-20% Isopropyl alcohol.
Those things translate to Britain well enough. I suppose you could easily make your own.

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Re: seafoam

Postby dagodave » Tue Oct 30, 2012 1:36 pm

Many thanks ,translates very well. Product name not known to me Dagodave

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Re: seafoam

Postby dagodave » Tue Oct 30, 2012 2:22 pm

Just checked out"Seafoam"not a common product in UK, STP sell a similar item as do others under heading of engine cleaner ,might try some on my 84 Aspencade working on the premise that every little helps . As an aside i hope and pray no body is suffering to badly under your( USA ) current inclement weather conditions best wishes Dagodave

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Re: seafoam

Postby Charlie503 » Wed Oct 31, 2012 7:36 pm

The starter clutch was slipping on my 84 last winter and I added 1/4 - 1/3 can to the oil and then ride 100 miles and change the oil 4 times and now I never have an issue. Use any cheap oil safe for the bike and change it until it stops slipping. The amount of crap that will come out of the engine is scary but then it will become clear. I haven't changed my oil in 4000 miles and it is still clean as a whistle so it worked for me.

Remember that your oil will be a little thinner so don't ride to hard and watch your temp.

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Re: seafoam

Postby Hagafan » Fri Nov 02, 2012 7:02 am

dagodave wrote:wots seafoam when its in england :geek: :twisted:


You can get Seafoam on Ebay for about 20 quid,some monkey is selling at 999 or best offer so you could get it cheaper (than £20). I ummed and arred and bit the bullet and paid around £15 quid. It was worth every penny, I had a 1200 which had, had little use for a while. I put half a can in the engine and half in the tank. The bike was transformed. Hope to see you on the road someday "dagodave"
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Re: seafoam

Postby feetup » Fri Nov 02, 2012 9:48 am

20 quid seems pretty steep.
If you have to pay that much you could easily mix your own. 500cc of outboard motor oil, 300cc of camp fuel (Naptha) and 200cc of rubbing alcohol (Isopropyl Alcohol)
The oil and camp stove fuel at any big outdoors shop, and the alcohol from the chemist.




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