3 YELLOWS WIRES CONNECTORS from gen (1 of the 2 melt down)


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3 YELLOWS WIRES CONNECTORS from gen (1 of the 2 melt down)

Postby franky9322 » Sun Oct 21, 2012 1:57 pm



i have a goldwing GL 1200 1984) :D

one of the 2 connectors that connect generator to rectifier have melt down : from about 1 month on the road i was smelling some kind of burning .......and yesterday i see my voltmeter :not charging...or a bit...

when open left side battery cover......touch the connectors....then i saw that 2 of the 3 wires have melt down on 1 side connector (generator side) the other one was ok!!!! (weird) :o

so i dont know if it was loose..........or overcharging ......because only one have melt down.

so i put each the 3 yellow wires twisted temporarely.

put a tester(voltmeter) on my battery........

start the bike;

1.:at the beginning it was charging only 13 V average instead 13-to 14.4 - 14.7 max :)

2.:i charge the battery 12 hours

3.:know the tester indicate minimum 13.2 to 14.6V....for the 1-2 first minutes.......then it is going higher and higher 14.6-15 - 15.6-16 .4 to 17.5V
...wow :shock: ...i stop the motor.

restart :the samething ...and 2 of the3 yellows wires are getting hot..and 1 more hot then the other.

is it 100% the regulator/ rectifier ?
or that plus other problem

if so

i found some on ebay(new) http://www.ebay.com/itm/VOLTAGE-REGULAT ... ceRpt=true

OR http://www.ebay.com/itm/280930160200?ss ... 1438.l2649



but some are listing for many models including GL 1200 1984 and one of the aftermarket one reg/rec shows a connector with 7 wires

instead of 8 (no black wire) and same listing GL 1200 1984.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/221120775631?ss ... 1438.l2649


there are not the oem honda because of the price.

if the reg/rect is defect can i buy a aftermaket one with confidence?

sorry for the links....dont know if it is correct

THANKS FOR YOUR ANSWERS



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Re: 3 YELLOWS WIRES CONNECTORS from gen (1 of the 2 melt dow

Postby virgilmobile » Mon Oct 22, 2012 10:06 am

Is the voltage being measured with a DVM directly on the battery posts???
The reg/rect module may be cooked,but first,repair the wiring.
Measure the resistance of the stator wires per the book and then solder the stator wires direct.
Unplug the regulator module and clean all the contacts.
Here's the hard part.....With your DVM...Attach the red lead to the battery positive terminal...
Attach the black lead to the BLACK wire that feeds the regulator.
This is the "sense"wire.
Start the bike....The voltage on the DVM should not go above 0.6 volts...Yes that's less than 1 volt.
If it stays below 0.75 volts,the regulator is shot.
If the voltage goes above 1.0 volts,there is a corrosion problem in the wiring and that wire will need to be bypassed with a relay.
As the difference increases,so does the output of the module.

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Re: 3 YELLOWS WIRES CONNECTORS from gen (1 of the 2 melt dow

Postby franky9322 » Mon Oct 22, 2012 11:10 am

i mesure voltage on the battery....with voltmeter......i did repare the wiring...........and it's charge too high.if you read closely my post.

if it s charge too high i was thinking just a reg/rect faulty....

bte i will try your procedure.......tought lolll

btw the 3 links i post.. 3 reg/rect) .....what one is the good one?

MANY THANKS

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Re: 3 YELLOWS WIRES CONNECTORS from gen (1 of the 2 melt dow

Postby virgilmobile » Mon Oct 22, 2012 2:14 pm

Stick with OEM.Personal opinion.No aftermarket

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Re: 3 YELLOWS WIRES CONNECTORS from gen (1 of the 2 melt dow

Postby virgilmobile » Mon Oct 22, 2012 2:28 pm

You could also test(to some degree) the rectifier part of the module.
It's simply 6 diodes.With arcing from the corroded wire,a single diode may have shorted.
This would explain the hot wire and high voltage.

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Re: 3 YELLOWS WIRES CONNECTORS from gen (1 of the 2 melt dow

Postby franky9322 » Mon Oct 22, 2012 2:29 pm

virgilmobile wrote:Stick with OEM.Personal opinion.No aftermarket


TANKS virgimobile

btw :OEM HONDA is $248.

some aftermarket are about $70 and others about $130. it said oem but i am sure they are aftermarket

i found one on ebay....they have a phone # i just call and it is 80 milles from my home in canada......... the unit have One year limited warranty



http://www.ebay.ca/itm/VOLTAGE-REGULATO ... 51a1d33b7b







OEM NUMBER :
31600-mg9-010
31700-371-000


DESCRIPTION :

Direct replacement to your original unit.
Plug-and-play, direct fit, easy installation.
No assembly required
Higher grade of electronic components.
Improved heat sink and charging capabilities
The Quality exceeds the OEM equipment
All products shipped are tested
One year limited warranty

We have even included the opposite connector (main harness side) as we know these are often melted/corroded/defective and a major cause for repetitive electrical issues.
*All item pictures are accurate, if in doubt do not hesitate and compare our item to your original part.

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Re: 3 YELLOWS WIRES CONNECTORS from gen (1 of the 2 melt dow

Postby franky9322 » Mon Oct 22, 2012 2:32 pm

virgilmobile wrote:You could also test(to some degree) the rectifier part of the module.
It's simply 6 diodes.With arcing from the corroded wire,a single diode may have shorted.
This would explain the hot wire and high voltage.
diodes.JPG


THANKS AGAIN.............i am sure it is the reg/rect

thank you for your precius help

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Re: 3 YELLOWS WIRES CONNECTORS from gen (1 of the 2 melt dow

Postby Asphalt guy » Mon Oct 22, 2012 7:19 pm

Thre is a mod for this fix to eleminate the faulty factory plug.and add an inline fuse. cheap and easy.

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Re: 3 YELLOWS WIRES CONNECTORS from gen (1 of the 2 melt dow

Postby franky9322 » Mon Oct 22, 2012 7:46 pm

Asphalt guy wrote:Thre is a mod for this fix to eleminate the faulty factory plug.and add an inline fuse. cheap and easy.


I did order my reg/rec .....(should receive this week).......i did not weld the wires for now.............will wait after install the parts. there are twisted for now (i dont start the bike cause Voltage go up to 17 V and counting.

someone with good tools will do the soldering................my tools are good for small wires.


BUT the mod with the fuse is interesting..............do you have i link or something...

Thanks to you and others guys for the feedback

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Re: 3 YELLOWS WIRES CONNECTORS from gen (1 of the 2 melt dow

Postby franky9322 » Mon Oct 22, 2012 7:48 pm

virgilmobile wrote:You could also test(to some degree) the rectifier part of the module.
It's simply 6 diodes.With arcing from the corroded wire,a single diode may have shorted.
This would explain the hot wire and high voltage.
diodes.JPG


tough to check......i order a new one........ :)

thanks for the info.again!!!!!!!!!! :D

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Re: 3 YELLOWS WIRES CONNECTORS from gen (1 of the 2 melt dow

Postby WingAdmin » Wed Oct 24, 2012 9:10 am

franky9322 wrote:I did order my reg/rec .....(should receive this week).......i did not weld the wires for now.............will wait after install the parts. there are twisted for now (i dont start the bike cause Voltage go up to 17 V and counting.


Please don't be tempted to ride your bike with the yellow wires just twisted together and not soldered. That's a very good way to cause a fire.

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Re: 3 YELLOWS WIRES CONNECTORS from gen (1 of the 2 melt dow

Postby franky9322 » Wed Oct 24, 2012 10:49 am

WingAdmin wrote:
franky9322 wrote:I did order my reg/rec .....(should receive this week).......i did not weld the wires for now.............will wait after install the parts. there are twisted for now (i dont start the bike cause Voltage go up to 17 V and counting.


Please don't be tempted to ride your bike with the yellow wires just twisted together and not soldered. That's a very good way to cause a fire.



sure not..did not start the bike!!!!!!!!!!!! should receive my reg/rect soon.

TY

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Re: 3 YELLOWS WIRES CONNECTORS from gen (1 of the 2 melt dow

Postby franky9322 » Wed Oct 24, 2012 10:52 am

Asphalt guy wrote:Thre is a mod for this fix to eleminate the faulty factory plug.and add an inline fuse. cheap and easy.


nobody have put 3 different inline fuse on the 3 yellows?.....because it is AC?


cya

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Re: 3 YELLOWS WIRES CONNECTORS from gen (1 of the 2 melt dow

Postby WingAdmin » Wed Oct 24, 2012 12:02 pm

franky9322 wrote:
nobody have put 3 different inline fuse on the 3 yellows?.....because it is AC?


cya


No, the inline fuse goes in place of the main master (dogbone) 30 amp fuse, in the solenoid housing. NO fuses should be installed on the 3 yellow wires.

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Re: 3 YELLOWS WIRES CONNECTORS from gen (1 of the 2 melt dow

Postby franky9322 » Wed Oct 24, 2012 12:13 pm

WingAdmin wrote:
franky9322 wrote:
nobody have put 3 different inline fuse on the 3 yellows?.....because it is AC?


cya


No, the inline fuse goes in place of the main master (dogbone) 30 amp fuse, in the solenoid housing. NO fuses should be installed on the 3 yellow wires.


i was thinking the reason why nothing happen when the connector melt down ( no protection for the reg/rect and stator or and fuses blows ) all that before soldering the 3

wires...... so hundred and hundred of reg/rect and stator did broke before the solution.......and our bikes are not 2012 models........can not imagine the numbers of

GL.

and honda did never did a recall in these time.........or our bikes are getting old lollllllllllll

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Re: 3 YELLOWS WIRES CONNECTORS from gen (1 of the 2 melt dow

Postby franky9322 » Wed Oct 24, 2012 4:21 pm

virgilmobile wrote:Stick with OEM.Personal opinion.No aftermarket


My reg/rect was ok!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! my 9 volts battery in my volt meter was week =false reading.

buy the reg/rec $70 + $ 15 sh. =$85 for nothing

the new one readings is 14.14 V (idle) to 14.88 sometimes 14.91 V (3000rpm) average never under 14 volts (idle included).........goes under 14 if i keep the brake on (13.95)

the original (old) reading is 13.70 (idle) to 14.67 average.....(3000rpm). with brake....(13.40 to 13.60)

should i stick with the (old original) or put the new one?

ALL TEST WITH HEADLIGHT ON


normal that the wires under the black enveloppe of the reg/rec comes very warm.?....the R/R comes hot. (that's the new one). did not check the old original R/R

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Re: 3 YELLOWS WIRES CONNECTORS from gen (1 of the 2 melt dow

Postby virgilmobile » Wed Oct 24, 2012 4:35 pm

Warm is OK.Actually my r/r module runs around 165*
If each module works,no reason to change....E-Bay it,return it,or have a spare.
The 14.9 volts is just a bit high tho.
I think it can be brought down to the 14.3 range with the relay mod to the ignition sense wire (black) on the regulator.
Not pressing at the moment but keep an eye on the electrolyte level in the battery.
Too high of a charge voltage will boil the battery.

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Postby franky9322 » Wed Oct 24, 2012 4:44 pm

virgilmobile wrote:Warm is OK.Actually my r/r module runs around 165*
If each module works,no reason to change....E-Bay it,return it,or have a spare.
The 14.9 volts is just a bit high tho.
I think it can be brought down to the 14.3 range with the relay mod to the ignition sense wire (black) on the regulator.
Not pressing at the moment but keep an eye on the electrolyte level in the battery.
Too high of a charge voltage will boil the battery.


MANY THANKS virgilmobile :D :D :so why in the specs and Honda shop manual it said 14V-15V ? because of some peak? :o :o

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Re: 3 YELLOWS WIRES CONNECTORS from gen (1 of the 2 melt dow

Postby franky9322 » Wed Oct 24, 2012 4:48 pm

virgilmobile wrote:Warm is OK.Actually my r/r module runs around 165*
If each module works,no reason to change....E-Bay it,return it,or have a spare.
The 14.9 volts is just a bit high tho.
I think it can be brought down to the 14.3 range with the relay mod to the ignition sense wire (black) on the regulator.
Not pressing at the moment but keep an eye on the electrolyte level in the battery.
Too high of a charge voltage will boil the battery.


i had 14.3 V max before the meltdown of the 3 wires...........it's bizarre (i think) :o :o :o :o

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Re: 3 YELLOWS WIRES CONNECTORS from gen (1 of the 2 melt dow

Postby firstwing85 » Wed Oct 24, 2012 5:17 pm

Hi Franky, where in Canada are you from?
I bought a stator and a regulator/rectifier last year from these guys and they are working great.
you might only need the regulator/rectifier and I would not hesitate to buy from these guys again.
http://www.regulatorrectifier.com/catalog/
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Postby franky9322 » Wed Oct 24, 2012 8:57 pm

firstwing85 wrote:Hi Franky, where in Canada are you from?
I bought a stator and a regulator/rectifier last year from these guys and they are working great.
you might only need the regulator/rectifier and I would not hesitate to buy from these guys again.
http://www.regulatorrectifier.com/catalog/


I am from Sorel-Tracy near Montreal, QC.

If you read the last post or te other before a did buy one $67. + SH but the problem was not there. The little 9 V batt in my volmeter was weak.......so i had big reading like

16-17V.

So i dont know what i will do with it because electrical parts are hard to return.

buy the way your link dont work........and i did click on that link on a other post and did not work.....

Cya

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Re: 3 YELLOWS WIRES CONNECTORS from gen (1 of the 2 melt dow

Postby virgilmobile » Thu Oct 25, 2012 7:42 am

Don't forget,the manual was written almost 30 years ago.Test equipment for the average user was a cheap volt meter with a accuracy of (maybe) 5% .Kind of a good/bad reading.
I guess they figured if it's within that range it is working.
Now 30 years later,corroded wires and all,the average Joe can measure to the hundredth of a volt.

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Re: 3 YELLOWS WIRES CONNECTORS from gen (1 of the 2 melt dow

Postby franky9322 » Thu Oct 25, 2012 11:03 am

virgilmobile wrote:Don't forget,the manual was written almost 30 years ago.Test equipment for the average user was a cheap volt meter with a accuracy of (maybe) 5% .Kind of a good/bad reading.
I guess they figured if it's within that range it is working.
Now 30 years later,corroded wires and all,the average Joe can measure to the hundredth of a volt.


YEP EXACTLY virgilmobile :D :D :) :)




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