Broke down in Norman Oklahoma Need Advice


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Broke down in Norman Oklahoma Need Advice

Postby alwims » Sat Nov 01, 2014 7:50 pm



I'm needing help diagnosing a problem. My 87 1200 has been running trouble free until last Friday. I was on a 1000 mile trip and at 863 miles it just quit like it was running out of gas. Figured out, it was a wire inside the fuel pump that came loose, although the pump started clicking like a machine gun. It's always clicked, but not that fast. Replaced the fuel pump and it ran perfect. Continued my trip to Greenleaf Ks. Left Greenleaf Ks and got to Normal Ok and the same thing happened again. Running fine, stopped for gas, got about 5 miles down the road and it quit, like it was running out of gas. On the side of the road I fiddled with it and it would start but didn't seem to be getting enough gas to fire all cylinders. Also at full throttle it would not go above 2800 RPM setting still. Then it would start dying like it was running out of gas. Won't idle with out the choke all the way on. New fuel filter and there is gas coming out of the filter to the fuel pump. It's as thought the new fuel pump has went bad or it's not pumping enough gas to run all the cylinders. I'm posting this on other forums too so please give me your ideas please. I'm desperate. Thanks. Alan



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Re: Broke down in Norman Oklahoma Need Advice

Postby pixel288 » Sat Nov 01, 2014 8:42 pm

You say there is plenty of fuel INTO the fuel pump, but is there plenty of fuel coming OUT of the fuel pump? That would tell you if you have some issue with the fuel pump itself or whether the fuel is not getting to the carbs. Could there be a restriction of some sort (fuel line collapse or partial plug) between the fuel pump and the carbs. The only other thing that I can think of right now (provided it really is a fuel issue) is that a piece of dirt or even water could be causing a problem at the pickup in the tank.

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Re: Broke down in Norman Oklahoma Need Advice

Postby alwims » Sat Nov 01, 2014 9:07 pm

Yes getting plenty of fuel to the pump, but not getting much out of it, but then I don't know what 4 lbs. of pressure looks like or if the pump is supposed to run all the time when the key is turned on.

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Re: Broke down in Norman Oklahoma Need Advice

Postby alwims » Sat Nov 01, 2014 9:24 pm

I just realized that both times this has happened was about 5 mile down the road after I stopped and filled up with fuel. Any thoughts? Sorry, but I'm just grasping at straws at this point.

Also, the more I think about it, I may just rent a U-Haul truck, load it in the back and take it back to Texas where I can work on it with all my tools and testers. I can also do it at my leisure. Any ideas on what and who to rent from to accomplish this?

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Re: Broke down in Norman Oklahoma Need Advice

Postby pixel288 » Sat Nov 01, 2014 9:30 pm

4 psi should give a good steady 'run' of fuel, not a trickle/dribble. Easiest way to be sure it is slowing through the pump is to get a container, turn the petcock off, pull the line off going into the pump, turn the petcock on and time for 15 - 20 seconds and see how much fuel fills the container. Then do the same thing with the output side of the fuel pump. It should be the same, or more for the exact same time. If you notice the flow start good and drop off as time goes, on either test, I would pop the fuel cap and see if it improves. It could mean the vent is plugged and you are pulling a vacuum. That would definitely cause your fuel volume to drop and create the loss of power you are describing.
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Re: Broke down in Norman Oklahoma Need Advice

Postby pixel288 » Sat Nov 01, 2014 9:38 pm

That it happened just after you filled up makes me think its either the filler cap not venting, or a chunk of dirt has restricted the pickup in the tank. The flow test will confirm either of these theories. As for whom to rent from, Oklahoma is about as far away from me as you can get, so I can't help on that point, I'm in the Great White North Eh!
But hopefully this will solve it, and if not, I'm sure some here on the boards will be able to get you up and running again.

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Re: Broke down in Norman Oklahoma Need Advice

Postby seabee_ » Sat Nov 01, 2014 9:54 pm

Like above, it could be the venting on the gas cap. The next time it happens open the tank cap and see if you get a big sucking sound. A little is normal. Leave the cap off and start it to see if it runs better. If yes, then the cap vent. Hope you can get it fixed easy.
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Re: Broke down in Norman Oklahoma Need Advice

Postby Bray20 » Sun Nov 02, 2014 2:47 pm

I live in Norman and have all the tools you may need. If I can be of assistance let me know. I can also show you where the truck rentals are if it comes to that.
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Re: Broke down in Norman Oklahoma Need Advice

Postby alwims » Mon Nov 03, 2014 9:58 am

I am so sorry. I posted to several sites, but I forgot to post here that it was the fuel pump went bad again. Put on another new pump and hit the road. Got home at 11:30 last night. Again I appreciate the help and the generous offers.

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Re: Broke down in Norman Oklahoma Need Advice

Postby HawkeyeGL1200 » Mon Nov 03, 2014 10:56 am

I found a direct replacement pump (on Ebay) for a 1200 Goldwing fuel pump. The price is about 40$. I don't know where you bought yours, but if it only lasted a few miles, you might want to consider keeping a spare one of these in the saddle bag.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/191249579319?_t ... EBIDX%3AIT
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Re: Broke down in Norman Oklahoma Need Advice

Postby alwims » Mon Nov 03, 2014 11:24 am

That's the same pump I bought off Amazon that went bad. I think I'll pass. I thank you though.

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Re: Broke down in Norman Oklahoma Need Advice

Postby HawkeyeGL1200 » Mon Nov 03, 2014 11:37 am

alwims wrote:That's the same pump I bought off Amazon that went bad. I think I'll pass. I thank you though.


I guess I won't be buying one either


I am wrong as often as I am right concerning what is wrong with someone else' motorcycle without having seen the machine in person. Guessing with limited information, as to the source of the trouble, is sketchy at best.


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