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Finally stator is underway

Postby Right Winger » Sun Jun 20, 2010 2:54 am



:) Well I finally got to get my stator job underway as of right now it is in the home stretch should have it back together today. I learned a lot from doing this my self. First thing it is not as bad as it is hyped up to be :) Infact it is fun, :lol: I will admit it's a weekends work when im done I'll have about 20 hrs into it. Not counting the about 4 hrs I spent cleaning those hard to get areas. And putzing aroung looking at this and that. The only regret I have is that I really don't have a good place to do it at.

If I had, I would have kept the engine out a couple days to clean and paint . I'm doing it in front of my house no garage all the parts are on my front porch in the back of my truck and in the trunk of my car :lol: . Not a bad job I would do it again in a heartbeat. It's worth every bit of a 1000 to do one that's without cleaning of course :lol:

I also learned what takes out the stator im most cases is those darn connectors . When I got my bike I checked it good and checked twice to make sure it was the stator . Well I didn't get passed the ground test where you see if the yellow wire coming from the stator. Two of the three lugs failed
when I got the stator out i could see why it was cooked almost all the way around 2/3s I guess the 1/3 was the good one :lol: .

The voltage regulator connectors were fried ! I never seen one so bad so it is going to have to be addressed when I get it back together. The plug off the stator under the L side cover was also gone
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Re: Finally stator is underway

Postby WingAdmin » Mon Jun 21, 2010 9:57 am

Yup, that's fried alright! Glad it's on its way to being done. Seeing the engine balanced on that jack like that just makes me shudder a bit. :) That said, I've got one just sitting on a piece of cardboard on my garage floor, so I can't say much. :)

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Re: Finally stator is underway

Postby Right Winger » Mon Jun 21, 2010 10:24 am

No need to shudder this is a good jack , it is not just ballancing it is on there soild . I pulled it from the bike removed the rear cover installed the new cover and stator put it back on the bike by myself without a minutes trouble. Now i'm installing the E.C. harness to eleminate the connectors so this wont happen again for awhile . A lot of stators could be saved by using the E.C. harness or just cut out the connectors and hardwiring . I prefer the E.C. because it fires the ignition coils directly from the battery.

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Re: Finally stator is underway

Postby thrasherg » Mon Jun 21, 2010 10:49 am

Whats an EC harness?

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Re: Finally stator is underway

Postby steve allen » Tue Jun 22, 2010 9:49 pm

I have 871200a that I was going out tonight, and it would not start. I hooked up trinkle charger and after an hour, started it up. Hooked up eter to battery, at idle, 11.9v, and at abut 3000rpms, 12.8v. How do I check to verify stator, and could it be anything else? Battery looks like new, I need to know proper way to check and what to check. I placed leads to + and - post of battery, was this correct? I was going to remove rar wheel to check the grease slinging on wheel, have new seals in case, looks like I am in for more than a morning chore,huh?

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Re: Finally stator is underway

Postby Right Winger » Wed Jun 23, 2010 5:38 am

First check the connectors and wiring including grounds then have the battery checked, you can't look at a battery and tell if it's good .

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Re: Finally stator is underway

Postby steve allen » Wed Jun 23, 2010 9:05 am

AWLKRSN wrote:First check the connectors and wiring including grounds then have the battery checked, you can't look at a battery and tell if it's good .

I understand, I just meant that te battey is a new looking after-market, not OEM. I will check it out today and check ohms on the 3 wires from stator.

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Re: Finally stator is underway

Postby Mooseman » Wed Jun 23, 2010 9:56 am

steve allen,
I just replaced my stator. I had installed a volt meter in the right pocket cover. Mine was droping below 12v at idle and would come up to about 13.5v at cruse. But then it droped off to 12v all the time. When I did the ohm checks on the stator it showed good. But when checking V out put it was down to 5V on one wire and 50+ on the other 2. Second check all 3 wellow leads back to the stator had gone south with little to no output. New stator puts out 14+ on start and tapers off to just under 14 in cruse mode. But I also replaced the regulator/rectifier. It was testing out kind of funky too.
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Re: Finally stator is underway

Postby steve allen » Wed Jun 23, 2010 10:37 am

Mooseman wrote:steve allen,
I just replaced my stator. I had installed a volt meter in the right pocket cover. Mine was droping below 12v at idle and would come up to about 13.5v at cruse. But then it droped off to 12v all the time. When I did the ohm checks on the stator it showed good. But when checking V out put it was down to 5V on one wire and 50+ on the other 2. Second check all 3 wellow leads back to the stator had gone south with little to no output. New stator puts out 14+ on start and tapers off to just under 14 in cruse mode. But I also replaced the regulator/rectifier. It was testing out kind of funky too.
Hope this helps a little.
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I charged battery, light said fully charged, started bike (slow to start) , ran 30 seconds, started again, same results, tried 3rd time, selinoid clicks, nothing else. Got new battery in 82 1100i, going to swap out and check again. Thanks, I know with my luck, I'll probably have to replace all the same a you, got to get dirty...........

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Re: Finally stator is underway

Postby Mooseman » Wed Jun 23, 2010 2:18 pm

Steve,
Yip, I would start at the battery. A lot of these battries go south once they have discharged or gone dead once. Les us know what happens. You can also hook your V meter to the battery, hit the starter and see what kind of draw down you are getting.
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Re: Finally stator is underway

Postby steve allen » Wed Jun 23, 2010 3:26 pm

Mooseman wrote:Steve,
Yip, I would start at the battery. A lot of these battries go south once they have discharged or gone dead once. Les us know what happens. You can also hook your V meter to the battery, hit the starter and see what kind of draw down you are getting.
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Hot battery, cleaned all cables and hit starter, click.....click...., I am going to remove starter next, had same problen with 82 1100i last year, replaced battery, but the real problem was the starter. Had to take a break for alittle while, but I am going to pull starter and check brushes and so forth. I hope this is the problem, easier fix than stator. I will keep you imformed....thanks, steve

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Re: Finally stator is underway

Postby Right Winger » Wed Jun 23, 2010 8:05 pm

:) Sure it is the starter system or circuit I can just about guarantee you . The stator or charging system won't keep it from starting. It will start and run as long as the battery is is up. Before I did the stator in mine I started to nicname it the electric bike, because I used to have it pluged in all the time :lol: It would run and go anywhere till the battery went south :D

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Re: Finally stator is underway

Postby steve allen » Wed Jun 23, 2010 8:47 pm

AWLKRSN wrote::) Sure it is the starter system or circuit I can just about guarantee you . The stator or charging system won't keep it from starting. It will start and run as long as the battery is is up. Before I did the stator in mine I started to nicname it the electric bike, because I used to have it pluged in all the time :lol: It would run and go anywhere till the battery went south :D

got starter out, found out that it had been rebuilt before, but screws are so buggered up that I have to take it tomorrow to shop and have it taken apart and checked.

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Re: Finally stator is underway

Postby Right Winger » Wed Jun 23, 2010 9:05 pm

What screws are you talking about :?: Why don't you use good battery and jumper cables and see if it will turn off the bike ? You might have a bad starter relay/solinoid

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Re: Finally stator is underway

Postby steve allen » Wed Jun 23, 2010 10:25 pm

AWLKRSN wrote:What screws are you talking about :?: Why don't you use good battery and jumper cables and see if it will turn off the bike ? You might have a bad starter relay/solinoid

the screws that hold the starter together ( the 6" screws), I don't have jumper cables, and the mechanic at the honda shop will test it for me tomorrow at no cost ( only a couple miles up the road) but you're right, might be the solinoid, I'll know tomorrow!

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Re: Finally stator is underway

Postby Right Winger » Thu Jun 24, 2010 6:26 am

Ok that's good keep us posted :)

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Re: Finally stator is underway

Postby Right Winger » Thu Jun 24, 2010 7:20 am

Got it on hold till the new R/R arrives .Got to figure out why the wires get so hot even with the E.C.harness, It has got to be the RR . :? This bike was tampered with before and I don't believe it has the right RR on it which may have contributed to the stator failure in the first place. :roll: As the old saying go S##t rolls down hill :lol: a faulty RR =excessive stress on wires and connectors building up resistance causing improper battery charging causing stator failure :geek: The RR is generally the tip of the iceberg due to the fact that it normally gets hot from shunting unused current to ground .

And another thing I think that is another one of Hondas blunders is the location of the RR :idea: It seems to me that it would make better sense to locate it closer to the battery and stator (HELLO) :) where the wires wouldn't be as long and where it would cool better :?: I think that will be my mission while I am waiting for the RR . Try to find a good place to relocate the RR and shortend the trip current has to take and for the RR to get a little more direct air :D

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Re: Finally stator is underway

Postby steve allen » Thu Jun 24, 2010 7:30 am

AWLKRSN wrote:Got it on hold till the new R/R arrives .Got to figure out why the wires get so hot even with the E.C.harness, It has got to be the RR . :? This bike was tampered with before and I don't believe it has the right RR on it which may have contributed to the stator failure in the first place. :roll: As the old saying go S##t rolls down hill :lol: a faulty RR =excessive stress on wires and connectors building up resistance causing improper battery charging causing stator failure :geek: The RR is generally the tip of the iceberg due to the fact that it normally gets hot from shunting unused current to ground .

And another thing I think that is another one of Hondas blunders is the location of the RR :idea: It seems to me that it would make better sense to locate it closer to the battery and stator (HELLO) :) where the wires wouldn't be as long and where it would cool better :?: I think that will be my mission while I am waiting for the RR . Try to find a good place to relocate the RR and shortend the trip current has to take and for the RR to get a little more direct air :D

what is RR?

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Re: Finally stator is underway

Postby thrasherg » Thu Jun 24, 2010 9:21 am

RR = Rectifier/regulator

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Re: Finally stator is underway

Postby steve allen » Thu Jun 24, 2010 9:25 am

thrasherg wrote:RR = Rectifier/regulator

thanks, I am going to take my starter in a few minutes and have it checked

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Re: Finally stator is underway

Postby steve allen » Thu Jun 24, 2010 6:54 pm

AWLKRSN wrote:Ok that's good keep us posted :)

well, took starter to honda shop, had brushes from previous starter problem with 82 1100i, and they fit the 87 1200a starter, got it back a couple hours later, installed, and the bike fired rght up.........fixed!

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Re: Finally stator is underway

Postby Right Winger » Thu Jun 24, 2010 7:31 pm

AWLKRSN wrote::) Sure it is the starter system or circuit I can just about guarantee you . The stator or charging system won't keep it from starting. It will start and run as long as the battery is is up. Before I did the stator in mine I started to nicname it the electric bike, because I used to have it pluged in all the time :lol: It would run and go anywhere till the battery went south :D


:D Good glad you got er going . See you should have taken me up on my guarantee :lol: :lol: :lol:




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