Starter motor problem on 87 Aspencade


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Starter motor problem on 87 Aspencade

Postby Aspencade87 » Mon May 18, 2015 9:13 pm



I recently bought a 1987 GL1200 Aspencade. The bike looks like new and only has 12,000 miles on it. I was looking for a low mile GL1200 and I thought that, with such low miles, it would be a long time before I ever had a problem with it. Then it began to happen; when I press the starter button she goes "click", and that's the end of it. I could press the starter button several times and all I would ever get is "click". I even installed a brand new battery...."click". I had a good spare starter motor and I asked my mechanic to replace the "clicker" with the spare. I estimate that I got maybe 15 starts out of that good spare starter motor, and all of a sudden it began to happen again......"click". So I went and replaced the starter solenoid and that didn't help either. So, new solenoid, new battery, second starter motor in this low mile beautiful GL1200 and all it will do is "click". It's the best looking Goldwing on the side of the road. Any suggestions are appreciated!



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Re: Starter motor problem on 87 Aspencade

Postby virgilmobile » Mon May 18, 2015 9:32 pm

A wing that won't crank...
volt meter time.
clip the meter to the starter casing...get a good connection through any paint..probe the threaded part of the lug on the starter motor...the one that the cable is attached to...do not probe the wire or lug..right on the threaded stud...
turn on the key and push the start button...
If the volts is above 11.5 and it does not crank,rebuild the starter.
if the volts is below 9 volts,load test the battery or measure it at both battery posts during a start test.
The meter probes go direct to each battery post...not the frame..we need to know how the battery is holding up during the test.
if it stays above 11.5 volts during the test,you are loosing volts somewhere.
The most common is a bad solenoid (jump it with a screwdriver),corroded cable connections and the often missed Ground lug at the frame...it will corrode and you'll never see it till its pulled off.

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Re: Starter motor problem on 87 Aspencade

Postby WingAdmin » Tue May 19, 2015 8:46 am

I'd also check the output of the stator when the bike IS running. If the stator output is sub-par, it might not be charging the battery enough to allow it to start the bike properly.

All will be revealed once you start measuring voltages as Virgil mentioned.

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Re: Starter motor problem on 87 Aspencade

Postby Aspencade87 » Tue May 19, 2015 7:13 pm

Good evening fellows, this 87 Wing has a built in Volt meter. When I press the starter button I can watch what the volts are doing. I just gave it a try again and the volt meter fluctuated between 11.3 and 11.2. That battery is brand new and was fully charged when installed. How freely should a starter motor turn? I took a look at the starter motor that came out of the bike; I cannot turn it by hand, but it will turn with a pliers.

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Re: Starter motor problem on 87 Aspencade

Postby virgilmobile » Tue May 19, 2015 9:01 pm

Ok your dash volt meter says the switched power is staying up just fine.
Have you tested for volts on the starter lug while trying to start it.It needs to be measured at the starter lug. :?:
I can't tell you of the condition of the starter until power is applied to that lug while it's in the engine.A starter can spin fine on the bench and stop dead under engine load.
The starter has plantary gears in the head...It would be difficult to turn.
Whatever you do from here,please take great care with the battery connection lug.Do not allow it to turn.Theres a soldered connection on it inside and can break.

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Re: Starter motor problem on 87 Aspencade

Postby Aspencade87 » Sun Aug 09, 2015 11:07 am

Good day, I just wanted to take a few minutes to report what the solution was to my starter motor problem. When I bought the 87 wing the guy said that he had had a problem with the electronic fuel pump and that he could not find a stock replacement. So he went out and bought an aftermarket fuel pump. My Honda Dealer reported to me that the after market fuel pump was creating too much pressure which was causing too much fuel to get into the cylinders. This caused hydrolock which is why the starter motor could not turn the engine over. Additionally, the starter solenoid went bad. I had replaced that and the replacement went bad too. Not sure why. As the guy I bought the bike from said, the electronic fuel pump is no longer available for 87 wings, but my Honda dealership checked on that part for 86 and it is available. It's the same part, just a different part number. Also, there was absolutely no problem at all with the starter motor. So the resolution was, install new 86 electronic fuel pump, install new aftermarket starter solenoid, change oil (gas was in the oil). After these fixes, the starter motor turns every time and I am now riding an almost new, 87 Aspencade.

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Re: Starter motor problem on 87 Aspencade

Postby wingman12 » Sun Aug 09, 2015 7:41 pm

I Am glad to hear you were able to resolve the starting issue, another common question from us to you is: any record of when, if ever the timing belts were changed. After all your bike is almost 30 years old. If original belts, please change before you destroy your engine. :D :D

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Re: Starter motor problem on 87 Aspencade

Postby Right Winger » Sun Aug 09, 2015 8:36 pm

:o You are very fortunate that you didn't hydrolock the engine and destroy it. First thing to do is change out the timing belts and flush out all fluids




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