86 aspencade regulator


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86 aspencade regulator

Postby jamie f » Sun Jul 19, 2015 6:41 pm



hey guys,took the wing out today and was running great then it just shut down.tried to restart it and battery was dead.called my buddy and he came with truck and trailer and hauled it home for me.i put it on charger for a couple hours,started it and checked charging and was only reading 11.8 volts.i have recently put a stator in it (solder and shrink wrapped connections) and a new regulator.the regulator was installed before i found out the other stator was shot.well,i pulled the cover and found the voltage regulator had vibrated loose.i removed and cleaned mounting areas and the ground wires there also,still no charging.stator ohms out at .8 at all 3 yellow wires(a-b,a-c,b-c)and is not grounded out.the regulator tests bad.anyone know if the regulator mounting bolts coming loose could destroy regulator?or could have the old shorted out stator have partially destroyed it and loose mounting bolts finished it off?thanks,Jamie



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Re: 86 aspencade regulator

Postby WingAdmin » Mon Jul 20, 2015 12:57 pm

The regulator puts out a tremendous amount of heat, and depends on using the frame as a giant heat sink. If the bolts fastening the regulator in place come loose, so the regulator is not tight against the frame, it is not able to transfer heat to the frame, and will quickly overheat and fail.

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Re: 86 aspencade regulator

Postby SilverDave » Mon Jul 20, 2015 3:00 pm

Its certainly possible that your loose rect/reg has overheated and fried itself .

but .......
Its also possible your stator is still OK ... You have only done two of the three part test : You need to actually un-solder the three yellow wires, and check for 50+ volts AC on each leg, when its totally unconnected:
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Here is the complete three part test for Goldwing 1200 stators .

First, cut ( or unsolder ) the three yellow wires (A, B, C), and strip them back (1/2 inch)

Part 1:
With a multimeter set on resistance, check each leg to ground for shorts.
(Infinite resistance) .
Zero resistance means a shorted coil in Stator.

Part 2:
With the meter set to read resistance, check resistance across each leg. A to B, B to C, then C to A.
Each should be about 3 ohm's.
Infinite resistance means an open winding and dead stator.

Part 3:
Start the bike, warm it up, Set meter on AC voltage NOT DC voltage.

When it’s warmed up, clip meter alligators to a pair of yellow wire legs.
With the bike at 3000rpm, check leg A to B. then B to C. then A to C.

Compare the three readings. They should be close and between 50-70vac ± 5vac per leg.
Voltages much less than 50volts vac means a dying or dead stator .

If stator passes all THREE above tests, and its still not charging properly, chances are you've got a bad regulator.
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There is in the Wing manual a test, of sorts, for a fritzy rect/reg . It involves checking the diodes in each direction, to make sure they are doing their one direction stuff :
It has 5 steps :

On each leg of Rect/reg, you use a positive ground Ohmeter and check for continuity in one direction( low resistance ) ,
and reverse the leads to check for infinite resistance in the other direction .

I believe you check across Yellow-green (both ways) and then across red/yellow ( again both ways )
Then you connect everything back and check if you have 14-15 Volts at around 3000 rpm.
If it doesn't pass these 5 tests, its " Defective "
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GL1200 harness:

As long as you have your soldering gun out, and the shrink wrap... I can HIGHLY recommend the EC GL1200 harness: all of the iffy connections replaced, double fused, larger gauge wire (smaller?? well ... BIGGER wire), and hot wires going to the coils, too..... and you can set your spark gap to 40 thou to give yourself a hotter spark .

http://electricalconnection.com/index.p ... uct_id=165

A great product for GL1200's .. Well worth the $50.
Mine has performed well for over a dozen years.
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Re: 86 aspencade regulator

Postby jamie f » Mon Jul 20, 2015 6:00 pm

thanks wingadmin and silverdave.i went ahead and cut out solder splices and tested stator.ohms out at 3.2 ohms all around,with no shorts to ground, when running. 25-75 ac volts depending on rpm's on a-b and a-c ,only .2 to 1.0 ac volts on b-c..looks like my 2 week old stator is going bad.it only has 500 miles on it.as far as regulator is concerned,it test's bad.looks like i'm pulling motor again.i just dont understand that it ohms out identical on a-b,a-c,b-c,,,but doesn't charge evenly around,,,the mystery of electrical.i used caltric stator and regulator,is that pretty good quality or should i try elsewhere?thanks,jamie

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Re: 86 aspencade regulator

Postby WingAdmin » Mon Jul 20, 2015 10:37 pm

Ever thought of going with a Poorboy conversion? :)

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Re: 86 aspencade regulator

Postby SilverDave » Tue Jul 21, 2015 9:42 am

What brand of aftermarket stator was it ?
and
What brand of Reg/rect was it ??

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Re: 86 aspencade regulator

Postby SilverDave » Tue Jul 21, 2015 9:53 am

ohhh.... sorry Caltric ... I wasn't reading properly ...

I have heard good things about Ricks :

http://ricksmotorsportelectrics.com/pro ... 5HTDEyMDBB

and also any tougher, coated stator , like this :
http://www.regulatorrectifier.com/catal ... ing-Stator

or coated Electrosport stators :

http://www.motorcycle-superstore.com/12 ... stries-sta

The coating helps it stand up to old corrosive oil, which sometimes causes stator failure .

If or when you pull it ... examine it carefully to see if you can spot a break .

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and from my experience, a bad stator can fry a reg/rect ... and a bad reg/rect can also fro a stator

Best to buy compatible ones from same company ...

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Re: 86 aspencade regulator

Postby jamie f » Tue Jul 21, 2015 10:33 am

thanks guys for the input and ideas.i'm leaning toward a poorboy conversion kit,as i feel this may be the best route to go.at least if the alternator fails,it's only a few bolts and can rebuild it.from what i researched on them,there built as ordered?and take about two weeks to get them.silver dave, should i still get that wiring kit also to eliminate "iffy wires",even though i wont be needing the heavier gauge wires for stator to regulator?thanks Jamie

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Re: 86 aspencade regulator

Postby SilverDave » Tue Jul 21, 2015 1:12 pm

Its my understanding that most small auto alternators have their own regulator circuits inside them .... so a provisional " no" .

The EC harness adds larger wire between battery , stator and reg/rect as well as direct wiring to the pulse coils.
So for your alternator addition, most of it would not be used .

It would still be of interest to the rest of us 1200 owners as to why your stator and reg/rect failed , if you can possibly find out .... perhaps because it was a Caltric, and not designed for oil immersion ??

Happy riding
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Re: 86 aspencade regulator

Postby jamie f » Tue Jul 21, 2015 7:42 pm

i would like to know why myself.stator was specifically for my gl 1200,coated nicely with whatever they coat them with.after the time removing and reinstalling engine,and money spent on parts,i can tell you i'm disappointed in the caltric product.i opened up harness and found no obvious heat damage to wiring,or at regulator connector.very frustrating as most of you will agree,keep wondering if it was something i did wrong on install,or on soldering,or what.i was very thorough,and when i tested it after installing,i was getting 13.25 volts at battery and thought i was done with that part of bike.then 500 miles later i'm on the side of road calling for a trailer.anyone know of any of those poorboy kits around for less than 650.00.thanks, jamie

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Re: 86 aspencade regulator

Postby jamie f » Wed Jul 22, 2015 9:00 pm

I've been reading up on the poorboy alternator conversion kits and think I may try to go with the "basic kit" (pulley,brackets,bolt spacers for radiator,and buy an alternator,wires,breaker,fuse holder and belt from local parts store(93 Geo Metro alternator)does anyone know the kit part number for this?Thanks Jamie

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Re: 86 aspencade regulator

Postby Whisky » Sat Jul 25, 2015 5:42 pm

I had the same thing happen. I had a short inside the motor with the stator. fired my regulator. I hope you had no wire get hot like I did. I had to replace the main harness too. Installing the alternator was a breeze. Had everything prep before the alternator got to my house. Make sure you put in your belt covers before Torque down the fly wheel.

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Re: 86 aspencade regulator

Postby jamie f » Sat Jul 25, 2015 6:07 pm

thanks whisky,I already did my alternator also.Had brackets pre-fabbed,roughed in before I got alternator also.had wiring and 50 amp circuit breaker installed also.if your interested see my post on gl1200 alternator conversion.I ran it off the cam,didn't want to spend the 650.00 on a kit.did all mine myself(help from welding friend),and since left lower fairing was already broken,I didn't feel too bad about cutting it.Also installed volt gauge in right side locking pocket(don't use that pocket anyway)After frying two stators and regulators in 500 miles,(trailered home once)feels good looking at volt gauge reading 13 volts at 2800 rpm's.It's been 24 hours since repair and already had wife out for 80 mile ride,after my "test" ride of 40 miles,with cell phone charged and trailer hooked up and loaded with straps and ramps....lol

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Re: 86 aspencade regulator

Postby Whisky » Sun Jul 26, 2015 4:24 am

I know how you feel. I am glad I do not have to worry about that anymore. Have fun ridding bro.




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