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Timing Belts

Postby tbeiler » Sun Nov 29, 2015 11:51 am



Going to put some new belts on just for PM sake and so I know how to do it.
Doing some research,
Dealer costs 77 each (wow) - dealer did not know which belt manufacturer.
NAPA also sells belts, but I believe these are China made but not 100%, (250070)
Checked out CarQuest here in Canada because Gates website said they were a Gates dealer, but they switched over to Dayco belts last year and don't have the Gates product anymore.
Anyone know what the Dayco belts (59070) are like?
Anyone here in Canada know where I can get the Gates belts?
Thanks,



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Re: Timing Belts

Postby roadwanderer2 » Sun Nov 29, 2015 1:39 pm

the belts your looking for can be found at http://www.rockauto.com and they are part # T070 and they are Gates belts and they cost $6.70 each plus what ever the shipping charge is. WAY cheaper than Honda OEM. i have these belts on my 83 1100 aspy and i've put over 2,000 miles on them with no problems.

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Re: Timing Belts

Postby twocams » Sun Nov 29, 2015 4:00 pm

Dayco has been making belts and hoses for yrs. I was just reading some reviews on their belts. Looks like they are still a good belt to use.
So if thats what you have to work with, I would use those myself. Read there reviews then maybe you can decide?

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Re: Timing Belts

Postby roadwanderer2 » Sun Nov 29, 2015 5:30 pm

Dayco is a good belt, but i would trust Gates more over any other belt out there not only for my motorcycles but for my cage too, and FYI, rock auto also ships international and to Canada.

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Re: Timing Belts

Postby WingAdmin » Sun Nov 29, 2015 9:19 pm

tbeiler wrote:Going to put some new belts on just for PM sake and so I know how to do it.
Doing some research,
Dealer costs 77 each (wow) - dealer did not know which belt manufacturer.
NAPA also sells belts, but I believe these are China made but not 100%, (250070)
Checked out CarQuest here in Canada because Gates website said they were a Gates dealer, but they switched over to Dayco belts last year and don't have the Gates product anymore.
Anyone know what the Dayco belts (59070) are like?
Anyone here in Canada know where I can get the Gates belts?
Thanks,


Unless NAPA uses a different supplier in Canada (doubtful), then the NAPA belts are in fact Gates belts.

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Re: Timing Belts

Postby roadwanderer2 » Sun Nov 29, 2015 10:03 pm

i didn't know that napa used gates belts, i just looked up napa's listing for their belt number and price for what they say is for an 86 GL1200....http://www.napaonline.com/Catalog/Resul ... Ne-2000000 their site doesn't specify what brand belt it is, but rock auto parts says its a gates belt and its half the price of Napa's. just thought you might want to know for future reference.

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Re: Timing Belts

Postby WingAdmin » Sun Nov 29, 2015 11:01 pm

You can also get the Gates belts from Amazon for just over $7 apiece: Gates T070 Timing Belt

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Re: Timing Belts

Postby roadwanderer2 » Mon Nov 30, 2015 7:05 am

that's a good price considering they are coming from amazon.

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Re: Timing Belts

Postby tbeiler » Mon Nov 30, 2015 4:19 pm

Guys, called up local NAPA Store and the Belts they sell are in fact Gates.
12.99 Canadian ea.
That's about 8 something US.
Many thanks for all the feedback.

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Re: Timing Belts

Postby roadwanderer2 » Mon Nov 30, 2015 5:16 pm

that's a good price. glad you finally found what you were looking for.

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Re: Timing Belts

Postby briand53 » Tue Dec 01, 2015 11:18 am

Good info as I have been thinking of doing the belts. My (as of 3 yrs) 1986 aspincade is stated to only have 18k miles when I bought it (US bike) and came with a spare set of belts that were never installed. First I question (18k miles = really?) second even if the bike has such low miles, the belts should be changed just due to age of 30 yrs.
Is it a big job on this engine or is it simply remove the covers, loosen a couple of tensioners and installing the belts while ensuring the cam gears don't move?
tbeiler : you might try GBS (General Bearing Supply) in Mississauga. They usually get belts or bearings when I need them.

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Re: Timing Belts

Postby tbeiler » Tue Dec 01, 2015 11:49 am

I haven't done it before, so I'm a noob at it, but there are lots of how to's and videos on you tube.
The rad needs to be removed to get at everything, and then to follow instructions on making sure that the relationship between crank and cams remains the same.
Sounds easy, until you do it.

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Postby roadwanderer2 » Tue Dec 01, 2015 12:02 pm

if your going to do the belts while the motor is still on the bike, you can remove the belt covers, and if the motor is still in perfect timing, i would simply place 2 "C" clamps on the cam pulleys, one on the right and one on the left, that would insure the motor doesn't move when you loosen the tensioners. you might want to think about replacing the tensioners once you have them loose. you can go to o'rielly's auto parts and get them. they are the same pulleys that are used on a Kia/hyundi belt idler pulley part # T42015. there is a "how-to" article on how to rebuild the tensioner pulleys..............viewtopic.php?f=11&t=10919 these are the same pulleys i used on my 1100. follow the instructions and you can do it without any problems. the cost for the pulleys are only 22 bucks each. the bolts, nuts and washers you can get from o'rielly's too. that's a LOT cheaper than the pulleys from any motorcycle supply parts sites, and WAY cheaper than mother Honda wants for them. 50 bucks for parts and materials and you'll have both pulleys rebuilt as apposed to 85 dollars for EACH pulley on eBay or any other site you'll find. it took me about an hour to get the old pulleys off of the pulley plates and about 10 minutes to put the new pulleys on. you shouldn't have any problems with them.

let us know how you made out.

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Re: Timing Belts

Postby geraldm » Mon Dec 07, 2015 8:32 am

Also upper and lower rad hoses can be made from 7733 napa hose , it is the perfect shape to make both upper and lower hoses from the one napa hose .. done proper you can end up with the perfect size hoses . and also for a fraction of OEM cost ..

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Re: Timing Belts

Postby tbeiler » Mon Dec 07, 2015 2:23 pm

Great tips on the rad hoses and tensioner pulleys.
Took rear wheel in to get new tire installed, cleaning up the back end now that the tire is off. Cleaned and lubed rear caliper and holder.
Once tire is back on, then back to the front for the timing belts and install a new used digital clock. Old one is kaput, fuse is OK. Still looking for a how to on the clock removal and install.

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Re: Timing Belts

Postby roadwanderer2 » Mon Dec 07, 2015 6:17 pm

tbeiler wrote:Great tips on the rad hoses and tensioner pulleys.
Took rear wheel in to get new tire installed, cleaning up the back end now that the tire is off. Cleaned and lubed rear caliper and holder.
Once tire is back on, then back to the front for the timing belts and install a new used digital clock. Old one is kaput, fuse is OK. Still looking for a how to on the clock removal and install.


what sub model aspencade is it? regular aspencade or the SEi? i can try to find out, but it won't be until later tomorrow afternoon when "mother Honda" in California opens their phone lines.

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Re: Timing Belts

Postby tbeiler » Mon Dec 07, 2015 10:47 pm

Regular Aspencade, not the SEi.
Got as far as removing the radio, and removing the two speakers.

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Postby roadwanderer2 » Tue Dec 08, 2015 7:47 am

mornin everyone...........tbeiler, let me call Honda and find out if they have any schematics on how to remove the clock. i'll have to wait till later this afternoon to call them.

from what i've seen photos of, did you insert your key into the clock to remove the radio? did the clock also pull out when you inserted the key? if not, try to reach in behind it from the right side speaker holder and try to feel for a nut behind the clock. you might have to remove that nut that's back there so you can remove the clock. i think its either an 8mm or a 10mm nut.

my diagrams show or tell anything about removing it, but i did see photos of the back of the clock when i checked for one on eBay. it showed a long threaded bolt/stud that appears to be the post for the clock to be unbolted at. you can see it here in the description pictures.......http://www.ebay.com/itm/HONDA-84-85-86- ... lJ&vxp=mtr

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Re: Timing Belts

Postby tbeiler » Tue Dec 08, 2015 3:58 pm

Yes, key inserted, radio removed, clock still in place in dash. I have a spare clock which I just bought and it appears that the nut (which is 8 mm, I checked with 8mm socket) holds a spring clip. The clip snaps in two places, one up and one down looking at the clock. Next question is how to remove the the lock.

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Re: Timing Belts

Postby roadwanderer2 » Tue Dec 08, 2015 4:23 pm

OK, i found this online and as far as i know this is the only way to remove your clock. let me know if this helped.

stuart.........
On Aspencade and Limited models, do the following:
a. Remove the speaker grilles
b. Remove the screws for the speakers
c. Pull the speakers out, disconnect the wires and pull the speakers out.
d. Insert the ignition key into the key slot on the clock and remove the radio.
e. Remove the screws securing the Meter Visor,(instrument cluster)
f. Pull the Meter Visor,(instrument cluster) out and disconnect the connector to the clock.
g. Remove the Meter Visor,(instrument cluster), and Clock as an assembly.

This will allow you to remove the clock.

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Re: Timing Belts

Postby tbeiler » Wed Dec 09, 2015 8:40 am

Thanks roadwanderer, everything cool up to step e, but I recall reading the service manual that by pulling the headlight out gives you access to the 4 screws in question.

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Re: Timing Belts

Postby roadwanderer2 » Wed Dec 09, 2015 9:26 am

tbeiler wrote:Thanks roadwanderer, everything cool up to step e, but I recall reading the service manual that by pulling the headlight out gives you access to the 4 screws in question.


hey tbeiler, i have the SEi model and my clock is mounted into the LCD that sits inside my onboard monitor system that sits on my false tank shelter, so i don't know of any other way to remove your clock other than what i found out on the web. if you can find a better way to remove it, then by all means do it that way. as long as the "end results justify the means" you should be able to remove it. keep us posted on your progress.

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Re: Timing Belts

Postby tbeiler » Mon Dec 28, 2015 6:24 pm

So, gentlemen, spent Saturday changing the timing belts. This is the first time I attempted it. I actually thought it was quite easy to do, but then I always research how to do it before I attempt something new. I watched U tube vids, read clymer manual and the Honda service manual before actually doing it and then thinking about it for a few days, going thru all the steps in my mind first.
The old belts were genuine Honda belts, didn't even look that bad. Also cleaned the dust from the pulleys, caked on crud on the belt tensioners and all the gunk inside the housing before new belts went on. Now to button it up and get rad back on and then on to the clock replacement. This actually a lot of fun.

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Re: Timing Belts

Postby roadwanderer2 » Mon Dec 28, 2015 9:26 pm

glad to hear you were able to put your timing belts and everything went smoothly. research is definitely the way to go before you start any project. did you do yours with the engine in the frame or did you remove it.

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Re: Timing Belts

Postby tbeiler » Mon Dec 28, 2015 10:21 pm

Engine in the frame, have'nt needed to pull engine out.....yet,(as in stator replacement), knock on wood.




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