Starter went WHHHAAAAMMMMMM


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Starter went WHHHAAAAMMMMMM

Postby wlkjr » Tue Mar 15, 2016 7:55 pm



Old battery went kaput so I installed a newly charged one in my '87 Interstate this morning and it cranked right up and ran very smoothly. I let it run about 3 minutes and cut it off. Was planning on going with the old guys group who rides every Wednesday on a food run. So right at dark I decided to crank it up again and listen to it purr. I hit the starter button and it turned over about twice and went wham bang clank and locked up tighter than ****'s hat band. Starter won't budge. Hopefully it's something in the starter and not the engine. And I was so looking forward to riding tomorrow.



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Re: Starter went WHHHAAAAMMMMMM

Postby roadwanderer2 » Tue Mar 15, 2016 8:27 pm

this is just a thought, but could it possible that a timing belt might have snapped and locked the motor up? that would be the first thing after i took the starter back off to look at.

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Re: Starter went WHHHAAAAMMMMMM

Postby wlkjr » Tue Mar 15, 2016 8:32 pm

I hadn't thought of that but it very well could be. Would that damage the engine?

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Re: Starter went WHHHAAAAMMMMMM

Postby pixel288 » Tue Mar 15, 2016 9:01 pm

If you have never changed the timing belts, that is a distinct possibility. I would remove the front covers from the engine and check. DO NOT try the starter until you determine if the motor has locked up. If the belts are in tact, put a wrench on the crank end and GENTLY try turning the motor over. If it spins, then it may have been the reduction gears on the end of the starter they broke and jammed. Process of elimination.... Start with the possibility of the motor being locked.
The one bright spot is that if the motor didn't get a chance to spin up to speed or start before locking , and if it was a timing belt, you may have gotten lucky and not damaged the internals. There may not have been enough force to have bent a rod or put a hole in a piston.
Here's hoping!
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Re: Starter went WHHHAAAAMMMMMM

Postby wlkjr » Tue Mar 15, 2016 9:36 pm

Belts were changed around 2003 but only about 5000 miles since I had them changed. Bike has just over 50K on it. Hadn't ridden it much in the last 15 years, but last year put about a 1000 on it. It did this noise during the cranking cycle, not after it cranked. Now I fear it is the belts and not the starter. If it broke something in the engine, I probably won't spend the money to get it rebuilt. Spent a small fortune last year getting all the externals fixed.

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Re: Starter went WHHHAAAAMMMMMM

Postby pixel288 » Tue Mar 15, 2016 9:43 pm

It's not the mileage, but the age of the belts. They are old as far as that goes, so it would be the first thing I'd look at. Check it out, and like I said, you may very well get lucky. It's worth a shot IMO. Belts are cheap enough... Search on here for the gates or napa #'s.
Let us know what you find!

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Re: Starter went WHHHAAAAMMMMMM

Postby roadwanderer2 » Wed Mar 16, 2016 7:27 am

wlkjr wrote:I hadn't thought of that but it very well could be. Would that damage the engine?


yes, it could defiantly damage the motor. it could bend a valve or put a hole in the top of one of the pistons. you can get the belts from http://www.rockauto.com for $6.64 dollars each plus shipping. get the gates belts. they are for the 84-87 GL1200.

go onto their website and click on their parts number search box and type in T070 it will bring up the exact belts for your motor. there is a "how-to" article on changing your timing belts in the "how-to" section. as far as getting the belts from napa or any other parts store, you'll pay WAY to much for them. rockauto.com has them at the cheapest prices around and they are good 1st quality gates belts. for the price the other auto parts stores want for them, you could go onto rockauto.com and buy enough of them to last your bike a lifetime lol.

pull the belt covers off and see if one of the belts snapped. if one did, then pull the cylinder head off of the side that the belt snapped and check the valves and piston for any damage. hopefully you wont have to go that far with it, but if you do, you might as well change both head gaskets while your in there.

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Re: Starter went WHHHAAAAMMMMMM

Postby wlkjr » Wed Mar 16, 2016 2:13 pm

Well my worst fears are confirmed. It is not the starter. I pulled it off and it spins free and easy. From the sound it made I'm sure something is broken and not just a belt. I don't want to put a bunch more into this thing since I practically rebuilt everything last year but the motor. On the other hand, I hate for all that new stuff to go to waste.

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Re: Starter went WHHHAAAAMMMMMM

Postby deanbw » Wed Mar 16, 2016 3:56 pm

wlkjr wrote:Well my worst fears are confirmed. It is not the starter. I pulled it off and it spins free and easy. From the sound it made I'm sure something is broken and not just a belt. I don't want to put a bunch more into this thing since I practically rebuilt everything last year but the motor. On the other hand, I hate for all that new stuff to go to waste.

to me it's not about cost, it's what I want. You have nothing to lose by pulling the front covers, if all good under there, you may have broke a chain on the starter, can you look in the hole and see the chain is still in its happy place? Pull the cap covering the stator bolt, maybe it backed out.....wouldn't be the first one to do it

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Re: Starter went WHHHAAAAMMMMMM

Postby roadwanderer2 » Wed Mar 16, 2016 6:56 pm

ok, now next step, take the timing belt covers off and see what you find and let us know. like you said, it would be a shame to let all that time and money spent on it for nothing. your at the point that you might as well take a look, then you can go from there. if the damage is to extensive you can always change out the motor if the rest of the bike is in good shape.

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Re: Starter went WHHHAAAAMMMMMM

Postby wlkjr » Wed Mar 16, 2016 8:14 pm

Yep tomorrow I'll take off the covers and check the belts. The starter chain appeared to be ok.
Last year I put on a new seat cover, rebuilt all master cylinders, all new kits in the brake calipers, new brake and clutch lines, new carb kits, new fork seals, new tires, radiator flush, new plugs and some misc parts. I also cut out the stator connector and soldered the wires.

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Re: Starter went WHHHAAAAMMMMMM

Postby roadwanderer2 » Thu Mar 17, 2016 6:23 am

sounds like you spent some money on it not to mention the time it took you to do it. it'll be worth your while to take a look at the belts and if one of them did snap it will be an easy fix. as long as it didn't damage any of the internal parts, you might get away with just swapping out a cylinder head and a set of head gaskets. if worse came to worse you could find another engine and put it onto your frame IF you really wanted to keep the bike, or get another bike, but with all you've already put into it you might want to consider swapping out the motor, but lets not "jump the gun". check it out first before you make any decisions on it. if you do swap engines, you can always take the good parts off of your motor and put them onto a fresh motor that way it wouldn't be a total loss and at your leisure rebuild the original motor and put it back on. think of it this way, you'll have a spare motor on hand.

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Re: Starter went WHHHAAAAMMMMMM

Postby wlkjr » Sat Nov 26, 2016 8:51 pm

UPDATE on bike. I pretty much did nothing more on my Wing till three weeks ago. After vacating in NC and going up the Blue Ridge Parkway in my car, I decided I couldn't stand it any longer. When I got back home I put everything back together and took it to the dealer I bought it from in '87. They were two weeks behind but finally got around to it. They called with good news that the timing belts looked brand new and not even a crack. The mechanic said apparently a carb float got stuck and loaded up one of the cylinders with gas. He said they took out the spark plugs and gas shot out when they hit the starter. They test drove it and said it ran fine.
So after losing all summer because of what I thought was catastrophic, turned out to be minor. It''s good to be back in business.

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Re: Starter went WHHHAAAAMMMMMM

Postby Rusty Bike » Sun Nov 27, 2016 1:51 am

That's great. After reading your tail just now i figured those belts were OK. You still need to change the engine oil. What is in there now is tainted with gas, not good. Get proper motorcycle oil or something else that does not have friction modifiers like most automobile oil has. The wrong oil will cause clutch problems. I did much of the same maintenance to my bike this summer, took all summer. Now the snow is flying around! At least you will be able to ride some through the winter down there. Put Sta-bil in every tank of gas while winter is on, this will save those carbs. Should keep tank full also to stop rust. Non ethanol gas and Sta-bil is best for storage or long time between rides. Enjoy...




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