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86 aspy final drive

Postby roadwanderer2 » Fri Apr 15, 2016 10:02 am



can someone please tell me if and where the grease fitting is on the final drive so i can pump some grease into it? no where in any of my manuals tells or shows where this grease fitting is. i know my 1100 has one because i've seen it and pumped some grease into it, but i can't find the one on my 1200. if there is no grease fitting, how does one put grease into the drive shaft section of the swing arm like you can do with an 1100.

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Re: 86 aspy final drive

Postby twocams » Fri Apr 15, 2016 7:35 pm

No grease fittings, take everything apart to grease. Called manual greasing.

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Postby roadwanderer2 » Fri Apr 15, 2016 8:56 pm

what :o :o :o. you mean i have to take it apart to be able to grease the drive shaft? what needs to be removed other than the rear tire and the final drive. do i have to remove the swing arm too?

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Re: 86 aspy final drive

Postby twocams » Fri Apr 15, 2016 10:14 pm

Don't have to do anything with swing arm....unless your going to grease it. Then I dont know what that entails. Haven't even messed with mine. You can't get the u joint out without removing the swingarm from what I understand. But you can grease the splines without removing it.

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Re: 86 aspy final drive

Postby Rednaxs60 » Fri Apr 15, 2016 11:16 pm

Stuart - to grease the driveshaft with Moly paste, you have to remove the FD. To do a complete job, the u-joint and engine output shaft also needs to be clean/lubed with Moly paste. To remove the u-joint, you have to drop the right swing arm side by removing the pivot bolt and disconnect the swing arm bellow from the engine. The u-joint and engine output shaft are splined. I found it was easier to drop the swing arm completely - both sides - to remove the u-joint.

I have done mine, including installing new swing arm bearings. I also put in new swing arm parts.

The parts are:

SKF bearing P/N 30203 - I urchased these at my local ago parts store - $68.00 from Honda - $28.00 from auto parts place
Dust seal/flange 91268-463-003 #30
Dust seal plate 52118-MG9-003 #17
Swing arm grease holder 52112-MA1-300 #16

To take the swing arm out, you may also have to drop the exhaust, I did. While I had the swing arm out, I cleaned it and painted as well.

One of the reasons I replaced the swing arm bearings besides age, was that the inner race had the imprint of the tapered rollers on the inside of the race - been there for a while.

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Postby roadwanderer2 » Sat Apr 16, 2016 6:39 am

OMG, i didn't know all that had to be done just to get some grease in there. does the drive shaft only require molly paste on the front and rear of the shaft? instead of doing all of that, let me ask you this.....can i put a grease fitting into the FD side of the swing arm and pump some axle grease into it like on the 1100 instead of taking everything off the back end of the bike? or is removing everything the only way to do it.

i have to do something about it because when i decelerate, i can hear the FD making a whining sound as i slow down from interstate speeds on exit ramps, the same as some cars with standard transmissions sound when they downshift to a lower gear.

what i might do is buy another swing arm, get a new bearing kit and install new bearings and seals, take my swing arm off and install the one that i rebuilt, that way i'll have a good one and a spare one if i need to do it again in the future. i've seen a few on eBay that look pretty good and swing arm bearing kits for reasonable prices.

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Re: 86 aspy final drive

Postby Rednaxs60 » Sat Apr 16, 2016 8:58 am

Stuart - can't get away from taking it apart. A grease nipple will not solve the issue. Probably take 2 grease cartridges to fill the void in the swing arm and you'd only make a mess. You do not have to put Moly paste on the driveshaft splines that fit into the FD.

If there is a whine in the FD on deceleration, could be a bearing. When you remove the final drive and clean up the pinion joint, check the pinion shaft bearing for wear. I had to replace the pinion shaft bearing (check out my thread on this). The pinion shaf bearing seems to be only available from Honda.

Once you get it done, only have to do this maintenance every 2 years. Not hard to do, just time consuming.

Will send PM on how I prefer to do it.

As an aside, on an advanced riding course this weekend,and doing a track day next weekend with he old girl, going to be fun.

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Postby roadwanderer2 » Sat Apr 16, 2016 9:27 am

hey red, thanks for all the info on it and await your PM, and i will take a read thru on your thread about doing maintenance on it. i'll be able to check everything once i get the FD off the bike. have fun at your riding course this weekend. should be a nice weather for it.

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Re: 86 aspy final drive

Postby roadwanderer2 » Sat Apr 16, 2016 6:22 pm

went out to my garage this morning after signing off from here and sat there thinking, "well, let me check the obvious things first. gear oil in the FD, maybe its empty", so i put the bike on the center stand and opened the fill plug on the FD, and as soon as i opened it gear oil poured out from it, so i thought some more, "is it possible for the viscosity of the gear oil to be too thin", not knowing if or when it was ever topped up or changed, so i drained it and refilled it with fresh 75-90W gear oil just until it started coming back out of the filler opening. tomorrow i'll take it out to hear if it made any difference, if not, im going to take the bike to someone that can diagnose what the problem might be.

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Re: 86 aspy final drive

Postby Rednaxs60 » Sat Apr 16, 2016 7:36 pm

Stuart - what is the problem you are having? Read your thread again and you started with no grease nipple. My work on the drive line was to ensure it was clean and lubed properly. I also wanted to understand the "system" so to speak. I found the pinion shaft bearing had to be replaced, and I put a new driveshaft damper spring in (old one went for a walkabout in the garage and I haven't found it yet). I now have virtually no vibration in the drive line when under power or decelerating. I am still investigating the infamous "clunk" on start in first gear, but that is just me.

When starting out in first, I find that keeping the revs up around 2000 minimizes the infamous "clunk".

Let us know what is the issue you are having concern with.

I would still take the drive line out and apart, clean and lube with Moly paste and put back.

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Postby roadwanderer2 » Sat Apr 16, 2016 8:49 pm

Red, correct, i was talking about a grease fitting that from which i would have been able to pump grease into the front of the FD where it bolts up to the swing arm. what im getting is a whining sound when i decelerate from speeds above 40 mph. as for the "clunk" that you mentioned, what kind of a clunk are you talking about.

i found out about what you said that the FD/swing arm having no grease nipple to pump grease into it for the back end of the drive shaft, so i was thinking about what i did when i changed out the FD on my 1100 which has a grease nipple to put grease in the back end of the swing arm. before i mounted the FD to the swing arm when i checked the gear oil level in my 1100's FD, filled it and pumped grease into the swing arm. the whining noise that i hear made me think that maybe the FD was low on gear oil.

i'll take it out for a ride tomorrow and listen to how it sounds, then take it to someone that can tell me what i should do, either fix this FD by taking it apart or change it out. i'll definitely keep the pinion shaft bearing you mentioned in mind when the FD is off the bike and can be inspected.

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Postby roadwanderer2 » Sun Apr 17, 2016 2:16 pm

ok, so i took my bike out for a significant ride today,(just got home), i found out that while im riding,(coasting), i can pull in the clutch lever and the noise almost goes away leading me to think that maybe the oil is thinning out, or low. i added a half a qt and the noise lessened even more but still there upon acceleration and deceleration at any speed making it sound like its in the transmission or the clutch. is it possible that my oil's viscosity is too thin? maybe i should drain the oil, change the filter and use a heaver weight oil or maybe i have a trans or a clutch problem in the makings. i definitely need to have someone look at and let me know where the problem is.

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Re: 86 aspy final drive

Postby roadwanderer2 » Tue Apr 19, 2016 10:16 am

took my bike to a bike tech yesterday, he took it for a ride and when he came back he told me theres no problem with my clutch, transmission or the final drive. what he DID recommend me to do was change my oil and filter and use a heaver weight oil and put some "Lucas" oil in with it and see how that works. he seems to think that the internal workings of the motor are starting to wear and since i told him about the bike and what i paid for it, i should ride it until it dies lol.

im gonna change the oil and filter, use a 50W oil and add a pint of Lucas to the oil and see if that makes any difference.

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Re: 86 aspy final drive

Postby twocams » Tue Apr 19, 2016 1:40 pm

50w sounds way heavy :o . I would use maybe a 20-50. just my .02

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Re: 86 aspy final drive

Postby Asp » Tue Apr 19, 2016 2:18 pm

Don't think Lucas oil additive would work with a wet clutch?

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Re: 86 aspy final drive

Postby roadwanderer2 » Tue Apr 19, 2016 4:36 pm

guys, i appreciate all your opinions, advise and thoughts, but im gonna bring my bike to someone else and let them take a listen to it and get their opinion as to what the noise could be before i go taking any further course of action and take it from there, but before i do, im gonna change the oil and filter and put in some heaver weight oil.

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Re: 86 aspy final drive

Postby twocams » Tue Apr 19, 2016 6:35 pm

That's what I would do. :P

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Re: 86 aspy final drive

Postby geraldm » Thu Apr 21, 2016 9:47 pm

I ran 20-50 last summer and found that the transmission shifted clunky ,. changed back to 10-40 this spring and it shifts quieter . IMO heavy oil wont help you and very doubtful that it will take any wear noise away especially H-D oil . mine always seems to have a bit of a whine to it especially in the higher gears even when I ran the heavier oils . I think its just telling you its happy . have a good one .

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Re: 86 aspy final drive

Postby roadwanderer2 » Fri Apr 22, 2016 6:33 am

hey geraldm, i can understand a little whining noise is normal, but this is outside the range of "normal". right now im considering putting both bikes up for sale as a "package deal", taking the money and going out and finding one GOOD bike maybe a year or 2 newer like an 88 or an 89.

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