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86 SEi fuel system

Postby roadwanderer2 » Wed Apr 20, 2016 7:08 pm



ok, so there i was stopped at the scenic over look on the dragon's tail today to take a "rest stop" and watch other bikers coming, stopping and going, looking at all the different bikes as they went past. when i got back onto my bike to continue on my way, put my glasses and helmet on, turned the key, heard the fuel pump making this god awful screeching sound, pressed the starter button, the bike fired up, misfired, hesitated and shut off. i turned off the key, waited a few seconds and fired the bike up again with the same results even with goosing the throttle :shock:. this went on for about 25 minutes to no avail. the bike sounded like it was starving for fuel even though it had 3/4 of a tank of gas, i opened the fuel tank and sure enough it was 3/4 full. this went on for a total of about a half hour, while other bikers were walking up to me and trying to figure out whats going on with it,(no body had a clue as they were mostly crotch rocket and HD riders), until it finally started up and stayed running, so i had to cut my ride short and get the bike home hoping and praying it would stay running, and it figures the one day i don't have my tools with me,(thinking i wouldn't need them) i left them home in my garage :x.

anyone have any ideas as to why this happened, and should i be thinking about replacing the fuel pump and fuel filter sooner than in the near future.

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Re: 86 SEi fuel system

Postby julimike54 » Wed Apr 20, 2016 7:31 pm

I'd plan on a pump replacement. It could have gotten really hot and vapor locked but it shouldn't do that.
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Re: 86 SEi fuel system

Postby roadwanderer2 » Wed Apr 20, 2016 9:08 pm

hey julimike, im starting to think about that. i've only had this bike for about 5 months now, and it has just over 80,000 on her and already put over 2,000 on her, and this was really the first time i've actually gotten stuck with her, but it looks like im gonna have to start making repairs to her. im glad i haven't sold my 83 aspy as its still registered and insured, so i can ride that one while i save up for a new fuel pump AND a new fuel filter. im also glad i filled it up with fuel and kept the battery on the tender before i parked her. tomorrow im gonna take the cover off her, give her a nice bath, get her all clean and shiny again and get her on the road for a while.

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Postby roadwanderer2 » Thu Apr 21, 2016 7:21 pm

well, today i took the motorcycle cover off my black wing so i can get it up and running and of course the first thing i had to do was buy ANOTHER new battery for it. this makes another hundred bucks tossed into it,(as if i haven't spent enough on it already), but its now back on the road until i get my 1200 fuel pump.

speaking of which, i've been searching for an electric fuel pump for it,(my 1200), and OMG :o, that pump aint cheap. the cheapest new OEM fuel pump i could find was almost $300.00 and it is "bike specific" to the 86 1200 SEi. there is no interchange for it. it must be for the 86 aspencade SEi, unless theres another way to use a different electronic fuel pump that someone in here knows about.

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Re: 86 SEi fuel system

Postby Rusty Bike » Thu Apr 21, 2016 8:16 pm

I found this on the web so do your research...
SEi fuel pump- OEM#...16700-PE7-748
Honda Prelude fuel pump# (same as SEi OEM)....06167-PE7-751

I have not bought a pump yet, my SEi has 44,000 mls. Try Rock Auto on the web for pricing. I bought several parts for my bike from them, so far so good. Good luck...Rusty

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Re: 86 SEi fuel system

Postby Rednaxs60 » Thu Apr 21, 2016 10:01 pm

roadwanderer2 wrote:well, today i took the motorcycle cover off my black wing so i can get it up and running and of course the first thing i had to do was buy ANOTHER new battery for it. this makes another hundred bucks tossed into it,(as if i haven't spent enough on it already), but its now back on the road until i get my 1200 fuel pump.

speaking of which, i've been searching for an electric fuel pump for it,(my 1200), and OMG :o, that pump aint cheap. the cheapest new OEM fuel pump i could find was almost $300.00 and it is "bike specific" to the 86 1200 SEi. there is no interchange for it. it must be for the 86 aspencade SEi, unless theres another way to use a different electronic fuel pump that someone in here knows about.

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Stuart - your post got me to looking - looked on line for the cost to replace the '85 LTD fuel pump. 2 places - one at $477.00 USD and the other around $650.00 USD. Not cheap for either bike. Add a factor of 1.25 for CDN exchange and ouch!

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Re: 86 SEi fuel system

Postby roadwanderer2 » Fri Apr 22, 2016 6:31 am

yeah, i know, ridiculous isn't it. i wonder if there is an alternative way to go about putting an "aftermarket" fuel pump on it.

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Re: 86 SEi fuel system

Postby Rednaxs60 » Fri Apr 22, 2016 8:57 am

Stuart - found one at a local parts place - Princess Auto. 12V electric pump - 4 to 5.5 PSI - 32 GPH/121 LPH - self priming - internal replaceable filter. Approximately $90.00 CDN. Cylindrical and should fit in place. Going to have a better look today - may fit the bill.

Will take pictures and post for you.

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Re: 86 SEi fuel system

Postby Rednaxs60 » Fri Apr 22, 2016 8:58 am

Stuart - further to my last - Princess Auto ships to US.
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Postby roadwanderer2 » Fri Apr 22, 2016 11:12 am

hey Ernest, thanks, that would be a great help.

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Postby roadwanderer2 » Fri Apr 22, 2016 3:01 pm

ya know, i was sitting here thinking, instead of replacing the fuel pump, is there a way to remove it from the bike, clean and or rebuild it? i wonder if that would make any difference.

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Re: 86 SEi fuel system

Postby tbeiler » Fri Apr 22, 2016 4:58 pm

Hey Stuart, check your PM.
They may have a used fuel pump at a local wrecker.

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Re: 86 SEi fuel system

Postby roadwanderer2 » Fri Apr 22, 2016 5:52 pm

tbeiler wrote:Hey Stuart, check your PM.
They may have a used fuel pump at a local wrecker.


i got your message tbeiler, and thank you for the #. hey, while im here, has anyone ever heard of a fuel pump from Airtex called the "Airtex E8000" electronic fuel pump? if anyone has any information about it please let me know.

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Re: 86 SEi fuel system

Postby tbeiler » Fri Apr 22, 2016 6:12 pm

http://infopart.org/honda-06167pe7751-part
This site cross references part numbers. The Airtex is on there.
Check it out.

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Re: 86 SEi fuel system

Postby Rednaxs60 » Fri Apr 22, 2016 7:01 pm

Here's a site for you. Airtex E8000 at $71.00. http://www.summitracing.com/int/parts/a ... /overview/
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Re: 86 SEi fuel system

Postby roadwanderer2 » Fri Apr 22, 2016 8:26 pm

tbeiler wrote:http://infopart.org/honda-06167pe7751-part
This site cross references part numbers. The Airtex is on there.
Check it out.


i cross referenced the stock OEM Honda part # which is........16700-ML8-751 and there is no cross reference number for it, but im gonna contact the Airtex company Monday morning and see what i can find out. maybe they know something that we dont about matching up a fuel pump. when i find out the results, i'll let ya'll know.

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Re: 86 SEi fuel system

Postby Rednaxs60 » Fri Apr 22, 2016 10:15 pm

Found this You Tube video to clean the points on the fuel pump. Remember doing this on the older cars when I was much younger. Interesting watch.



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Re: 86 SEi fuel system

Postby roadwanderer2 » Sat Apr 23, 2016 6:48 am

hey Ernest, i looked at that vid you posted and noticed that pump he's working on isn't the same as mine. the one for the SEi thats on my bike sits parallel to the motor on the bottom not inboard on the top of the engine case and its a lot longer than that one he's working on. if i can, i'll try to take a pic or 2 of the one thats on mine so you can see it. plus mine has 3 hoses coming out of it instead of the 2 hoses thats shown on his.

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Re: 86 SEi fuel system

Postby roadwanderer2 » Sat Apr 23, 2016 7:29 am

to view a description of what the pump looks like on my bike, go onto partzilla.com and type into the search box.....16700-ML8-751 and it will bring up the page for my bike's fuel pump. you have to go to "1986 GL1200SEI A SE-I FUEL TANK 86 Diagram", and look at part #1. look at the cylindrical part in the diagram, thats what my fuel pump looks like. its not the same as the other 1200 fuel pumps.

please note: i made a mistake in my last post, the pump has only 2 hoses, one on each end. the power plug is also at one end of the pump.

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Re: 86 SEi fuel system

Postby Rednaxs60 » Sat Apr 23, 2016 9:07 am

Mine is the same as yours, different P/N. Thought that it might be of some help. Our fuel pumps are pretty much enclosed.

Browsing the other forums as well because I have read threads about the Airtex pp. If I find a thread that is relevant I will post for you.

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Re: 86 SEi fuel system

Postby roadwanderer2 » Sat Apr 23, 2016 9:17 am

hey Ernest, ive been searching for the correct pump and all i keep finding is this one...........http://www.ebay.com/itm/HONDA-GOLDWING- ... 1687738169

any help i can get in finding one will be greatly appreciated. will the pump from an 85 LTD fit on my 86 SEi?

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Re: 86 SEi fuel system

Postby roadwanderer2 » Sat Apr 23, 2016 9:24 am

hey Ernest, i just now found one on ebay, its an exact fit, but its not cheap..............http://www.ebay.com/itm/NEW-fuel-pump-8 ... YV&vxp=mtr

i might have to "bite the bullet" and get it next month unless i can find a cheaper or alternative pump somewhere.

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Re: 86 SEi fuel system

Postby Rednaxs60 » Sat Apr 23, 2016 10:53 am

There is a check for the fuel system pressure in the manual. Have you checked the pressure regulator yet?

According to the supplement:

Fuel pressure: ignition switch on 2.4/2.7 kg/cm^2 (34-38 psi) - at idle 2.0/2.4 kg/cm^2 (28-34 psi)

Fuel PP capacity: 630 cc (21.3 oz)/minute minimum

Do you have the supplement manual? In the CFI section, it details how to check the system fuel pressure. I have it electronically - 16MB - would have to be sent in an email if you would like. Let me know.

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Re: 86 SEi fuel system

Postby tbeiler » Sat Apr 23, 2016 5:27 pm

Check out Walbro Fuel Pumps
These guys have cross reference for Part numbers for other car manufacturers, I think the Walbro GCL616 references the 06167-PE7-751 part number in above thread. WALBRO GCL616 INLINE FUEL PUMP KIT OE REPLACEMENT.
Looks the same as my 85 LTD.
Suggest calling them with specs for your bikes fuel pump, gallons per hr, etc. they can probably match the correct fuel pump for your bike. Looks to be around 110 bucks as well.

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Re: 86 SEi fuel system

Postby roadwanderer2 » Sat Apr 23, 2016 5:34 pm

now see, that price i can afford to deal with, but 300 bucks is a little out of my reach, especially at this time of the month when funds are already low. its a b***h living on a fixed income and wanting to do what needs to be done and having to have it wait until the following month.

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