Steering Problem


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Steering Problem

Postby rjlv25 » Mon Jun 13, 2016 4:40 pm



Well, after replacing front axle, forks, bearings, steering stem and fork bridge, I can't figure out what is going on. My handlebars were off center, so I took virgilmobile's advice and bought a triple tree. Every time I tighten the nut on top of the fork bridge, the steering binds up in the center. I figured the fork bridge was bent, since everything else was. I replaced it today and still have the same problem. Once the steering adjustment nut takes all the end play out of the bearings, how in heck can tightening the fork bridge cause it to bind up? the forks slid in with no problem, so I don't think anything is bent. I'm at a loss on what to do next.



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Re: Steering Problem

Postby twocams » Mon Jun 13, 2016 7:53 pm

The book says to use new bearings top and bottom. Not to mix match bearings. Jack up front end 1/2" off the floor under engine. Should use a spring scale.....but. tighten stem nut to (174-217 in,lbs.). Turn steering stem lock to lock 5 times to seat bearing. loosen nut and repeat the sequence twice more.Install new lock washer, align the tabs with nut grooves.Hold the adjusting nut & hand tighten the lock nut only enough to align the lock washer tabs. Dont know if this helps or not.
The lock washer/ nut should keep it from getting to tight.

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Re: Steering Problem

Postby rjlv25 » Tue Jun 14, 2016 6:10 pm

Thanks, twocams. I have both the Clymer and the Honda manual. What I don't have is the socket to fit the steering stem nut. I tightened it by hand, then gave it just a little more with a drift. I have the socket for the top nut. I hate to buy another socket for a one time use. I changed both bearings. I did the same thing a couple years ago and didn't have any problem. Still puzzled as to what isn't right

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Re: Steering Problem

Postby twocams » Tue Jun 14, 2016 7:32 pm

Are you doing all this with the fairing and everything on? just wondered if you can. not just one angle get a different perspective, look at it from all angels. just .02 more.

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Re: Steering Problem

Postby rjlv25 » Wed Jun 15, 2016 7:11 pm

Yes, I didn't take the fairing off as I saw no need to. Plenty of room to work if you have the right tools and the patience.

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Re: Steering Problem

Postby WingAdmin » Thu Jun 23, 2016 7:51 pm

Are you tightening down the fork bridge nut before tightening the upper fork pinch bolts?

Is the lower lock (jam) nut turning when you tighten the upper fork bridge nut?

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Re: Steering Problem

Postby rjlv25 » Fri Jun 24, 2016 6:12 pm

Yes, I only snugged one of the lower fork pinch bolts on each side so they wouldn't fall out. I don't know if the lower jam nut is turning when I tighten the fork bridge because I can't see it. Wife has been in the hospital, so haven't had a chance to get back to it.

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Re: Steering Problem

Postby rjlv25 » Sat Jun 25, 2016 9:34 am

I just read in the Honda manual that it says to tighten the steering stem nut before sliding the forks up into the fork bridge. I would like to know how they think the fork bridge will line up with the steering stem doing it that way?

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Re: Steering Problem

Postby Rusty Bike » Sat Jun 25, 2016 10:59 am

I have been following this thread. I will assume that the bike was wrecked?? I will also assume that the fork bridge is also called the Tripple Tree??
You have replaced basically the whole front end. Steering is binding. Very weird! Does the binding occur with the front end jacked up? Even if the steering head bearings were not parallel, due to bent frame, they would be stiff all the time, not loose, tight, loose. I have seen this type of binding when very worn steering head bearings are on a bike. My brothers BMW R60 did that, there were grooves in the races! I wonder if the new bearings are screwed up?? Is something rubbing somewhere? Brake line hanging up? What about the front end lock actuated by the ignition switch?
Are you sure the frame is not bent? Possibly hold a string across both front and rear tires and see if they line up. I'm just thinking out loud here. Good luck.
Hope your wife is better...Rusty

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Re: Steering Problem

Postby rjlv25 » Sat Jun 25, 2016 3:56 pm

Well Rusty, you can read the history through the topic "Handlebars off Center." Of course, the PO never mentioned that it had been wrecked. My first clue was the wicked vibration when applying the front brake. I spent a couple hours this morning and discovered that after I tightened the fork bridge, then checked for binding and took it back off, the jam nut was loose. I made the assumption that the bearings weren't seated. The last time I checked it, the jam nut was again loose, but the adjustment nut was tight. I couldn't tighten the jam nut any tighter without the adjustment nut moving.
When I talk about the triple tree, I mean the steering stem. I purchased one from eBay, but it must have been from an earlier year, because I had to drill it out for the angle sensor. I'm at the point now where I'm going to put the original stem back in and see if it still binds in the middle. Orignally, I thought something was rubbing and put it all back together, but I couldn't keep it on the road. I used new All Balls bearings, although the ones that came out have less than 2000 miles on them. If the frame is bent, it didn't bind up before I tore it apart. I'm now wondering if there's something different between the stems that is causing the problem.

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Re: Steering Problem

Postby rjlv25 » Mon Jul 04, 2016 8:32 am

Just an update. I put it all back together with the original steering stem and no binding! The only thing I can figure is that the replacement stem I bought must have something wrong with it. The handlebars are off center, but at least I can ride again. Maybe give it another shot in the future.

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Re: Steering Problem

Postby CrystalPistol » Mon Jul 04, 2016 9:36 am

rjlv25 wrote:Just an update. I put it all back together with the original steering stem and no binding! The only thing I can figure is that the replacement stem I bought must have something wrong with it. The handlebars are off center, but at least I can ride again. Maybe give it another shot in the future.


Do you mean the handle bars are not square with the direction of travel?

Stand away from the bike at one side and kneel down and look at the thin reflections of the two fork tubes ..... are they parallel? They should be.

I'm guessing that you did the reinstall of parts according to the book and after adjusting the stem bearings, loosely installed top triple tree, then installed tubes from below, tightened 4 lower triple tree tube clamp bolts to point the legs, then ..... snug up the top triple tree tube clamp bolts and top steering stem nut?
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Re: Steering Problem

Postby rjlv25 » Tue Jul 05, 2016 8:29 pm

No, after I adjusted the stem bearings, I put the top tree on, slid the forks in and snugged one lower pinch bolt. Then tightened the top stem nut. This is when the steering binds up in the center.




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