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Postby roadwanderer2 » Sun Aug 07, 2016 6:18 am



now that i have my SEi back from being totally rewired, (and the guy did an excellent job on it), every time i go to start the bike up, the starter clutch sounds like its not working and i have to roll the bike off to get it to fire up and i was wondering if is it possible to remove the starter chain sprocket without removing the engine. i want to take the starter off and see if i can peek inside the engine case to get a look at the starter chain gear. if the sprocket is bad do i have to pull the motor off the bike to get to it. i really really REALLY don't want to take the motor off the bike if i don't have to.

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Re: starter chain sproket

Postby ekvh » Sun Aug 07, 2016 8:19 am

A better description of what happens when you try and start may speed diagnosis. It's fairly common after sitting a while for the starter clutch rollers to be stuck resulting in a spinning sound but no engagement of the motor. Unfortunately their location doesn't give them much oil. Lots of people have luck using a cleaning agent in the oil and a gentle ride for a few hundred miles. Then a fresh oil change. Some use MMO, others use diesel fuel, ATF. I think most pull a quart of oil out and add a quart of cleaner.

Is this what your motor was designed to run on? Nope. But many have done it with no heavy throttle operation with success.

It has become part of my oil change procedure.

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Postby roadwanderer2 » Sun Aug 07, 2016 10:00 am

Hey evkh, I've already added a pint of sea foam to the engine, bought 8 qts of oil and 2 filters so i could do the oil changes and rode it for approx 85 miles, but its still doing the same thing. yesterday while i was out and about, i made the mistake of shutting it off for about 10 minutes, and when i tried to fire it back up it wouldn't catch. i even tried roll starting it to no avail. let me tell ya, this bike is VERY heavy and i really shouldn't be trying to push start it by myself, but i wanted to see if i could get it started up, and in the end i had to be brought back home on a trailer. i got stuck with this 3 time yesterday, so now the bike is sitting in my garage while i'm trying to figure out what to do about it. i know the right thing to do is pull the motor off, but i seriously don't want to do that, but i'm thinking i might not have a choice in the matter. right now the bike has just over 82,000 miles on it.

if i do decide to pull the motor, once i get it off i can hopefully get into it to fix it, and while i'm inside of it, i can change out the stator, timing belts, clutch, and I've already replaced the starter last month before i had all the electrical work done on it.

i got 2 prices from 2 bike shops that are "willing" to do it, one for $1,000.00 and another one wants $800.00 just for labor not including what ever parts are needed to fix it and both want at least half the money up front before they even start working on it. i know how to take the motor off of my 83 1100, but this 1200 has a lot more sensors and relays and its fuel injected instead of normal carbs plus its computerized which makes it even more difficult to take apart so i'm not sure if i should tackle it or have someone else do it.

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Re: starter chain sproket

Postby Rednaxs60 » Sun Aug 07, 2016 10:40 am

Stuart - been following your progress and these bikes are nothing less than great, but do take a lot of finesse. To work on the starter clutch you have to remove the engine, can't talk the rear cover off unless you do. It is different from a carb model, but the sensors are not an issue.

You remove the intake manifold bolts fro the heads and support it out of the way. Fuel fittings and such. You have to remove the clutch slave cylinder (makes it easier). The whole process took me about 13 hours of no panic removal. Read the manual and took my time.

When you remove the rear cover to get at the clutch and such, there is still a lot of oil in this cover (not mentioned I the manual or elsewhere). Leaks all over the place. You will need a new rear cover gasket and clutch cover gasket.

While you have the engine out, a rebuild of the clutch slave is in order, mine had a lot of crud in it.

I will go over my notes and send a PM on what I had to do to get the engine out and send it to you.

Mines up and on the road, and I'm enjoying the ride. Inspected the alt mod installation and all I sell.

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Postby roadwanderer2 » Sun Aug 07, 2016 12:58 pm

Hey Ernest, thank you for your input on this. as i do have my other wing to ride and enjoy the rest of this riding season, i'm not too worried about getting this bike back together quickly. i don't care if it takes me the rest of this season clear thru December to get the job done, just as long as i can do it without any major problems. the only problem i do foresee is i am going to be doing this by myself just like i did with my other bike. right now, the clutch slave is working perfectly and i don't think there will be any problems once i have it removed, but i will take a close look at it since it will be off the bike and if i see anything that looks questionable with it, i will replace what looks bad.

so far I've found all of the parts needed to purchase. my main concern is the starter chain sprocket and the starter clutch itself. once I've opened the case up i'm sure i'll find a mess in there. this is one experience that i would rather not have to do, but i guess i'll have to. removing the motor on my 1100 was a pain, but it was harder to get it back onto the bike when i was finished working on it. i guess you can say that it was good "practice" for now having to do it to my 1200.

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Postby roadwanderer2 » Sun Aug 07, 2016 4:04 pm

let me ask you a question Ernest, when i remove the engine case will there be anything jumping out at me like any springs, roller bearings or anything tiny enough that might get lost while i'm separate the engine casing?

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Re: starter chain sproket

Postby Rednaxs60 » Sun Aug 07, 2016 4:53 pm

roadwanderer2 wrote:let me ask you a question Ernest, when i remove the engine case will there be anything jumping out at me like any springs, roller bearings or anything tiny enough that might get lost while i'm separate the engine casing?

stuart.


Nothing jumps out at you. The only issues were the oil that is left in the rear case and taking the bolts out. I had two bolts just above the starter that gave me grief and broke. I was able to centre punch, drill and tap the original threads.

The parts for the starter clutch are (checked the fiche for your '86):
Spring 28125-516-030
Cap start Roller 28126-415-000
Roller 91101-516-000

When you remove the rotor to replace the above parts, to put the rotor assembly back on, remove the gear off the starter, put the rotor back on gently and using the starter chain, turn the starter sprocket until the rotor slips into place.

Be careful when removing the rear case. The output shaft oil seal for your bike is apparently difficult to get, and is different from my '85. Item #9 - P/N 91201-ML8-003.

The stator comes out with the rear case. There are three bolts that keep it in place.

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Postby roadwanderer2 » Sun Aug 07, 2016 5:39 pm

i really don't care about what oil comes out of the motor, i can clean it all up after i have the casing apart. my other bike also was an oily mess. it leaked oil all over my workbench lol. can i assume that these parts numbers can be found on say like partzilla? if so, i can copy the #'s and find them on eBay. yes, i remember how the stator came out on my other bike's motor. the hardest job with my other bike was lifting the carbs up and tying them out of my way so i could slide the motor out from under them then lining them back up once i had the motor back onto the frame. can i expect to have to do the same with the fuel injector plenum as well?

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Re: starter chain sproket

Postby Jelbon » Sun Aug 07, 2016 5:53 pm

I read this post in another section.
viewtopic.php?t=12909
I would definitely try to drill and try to free up the sprag bearing before pulling the engine out.

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Re: starter chain sproket

Postby ekvh » Sun Aug 07, 2016 6:03 pm

That is for 1000's. I tried it on my 1200, they are not accessible.

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Re: starter chain sproket

Postby CrystalPistol » Sun Aug 07, 2016 6:54 pm

What kind of oil do you have in her?

ekvh wrote:now that i have my SEi back from being totally rewired, (and the guy did an excellent job on it), every time i go to start the bike up, the starter clutch sounds like its not working and i have to roll the bike off to get it to fire up and i was wondering if is it possible to remove the starter chain sprocket without removing the engine. i want to take the starter off and see if i can peek inside the engine case to get a look at the starter chain gear.


Has anyone had the starter off yet? When the starter comes out, the gear stays in the chain loop. SEi being an '86 should have a guide to keep the gear and chain over at the hole. Be hard to miss with an 86 I think but I recall something about the '84-85s being said that if pulled while the bike is on center stand, the starter pinion swings out of view. I know when I pulled my starter to refresh it years ago I tied the bike SECURELY to a 4" steel column at about normal side stand angle.

I'm just wondering why it's "every time" ..... sounds almost like there's no gear on the starter shaft?

Ain't much of a hole to look in otherwise.
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Postby roadwanderer2 » Sun Aug 07, 2016 6:56 pm

Jelbon wrote:I read this post in another section.
viewtopic.php?t=12909
I would definitely try to drill and try to free up the sprag bearing before pulling the engine out.


i really don't like the idea of drilling holes in the engine casing. even the slightest bit off could do damage. i would rather take the motor off and fix it the right way before i drilled into it, but thanks for your input about it.

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Postby roadwanderer2 » Sun Aug 07, 2016 7:01 pm

CrystalPistol wrote:What kind of oil do you have in her?

ekvh wrote:now that i have my SEi back from being totally rewired, (and the guy did an excellent job on it), every time i go to start the bike up, the starter clutch sounds like its not working and i have to roll the bike off to get it to fire up and i was wondering if is it possible to remove the starter chain sprocket without removing the engine. i want to take the starter off and see if i can peek inside the engine case to get a look at the starter chain gear.


Has anyone had the starter off yet? When the starter comes out, the gear stays in the chain loop. SEi being an '86 should have a guide to keep the gear and chain over at the hole. Be hard to miss with an 86 I think but I recall something about the '84-85s being said that if pulled while the bike is on center stand, the starter pinion swings out of view. I know when I pulled my starter to refresh it years ago I tied the bike SECURELY to a 4" steel column at about normal side stand angle.

I'm just wondering why it's "every time" ..... sounds almost like there's no gear on the starter shaft?

Ain't much of a hole to look in otherwise.


i took the starter off personally when i replaced it 7 months ago and again to re-replace it again last month because with all the electrical problems, it burned it out, and i DID see the starter chain and sprocket in there, but i didn't take a real close look at it. its possible that the sprocket is bad where the starter gear mates up with the sprocket splines. in any event, tomorrow i'm going to start pulling it apart, but before i do all that, i'm gonna take the starter back off and take a good look at the chain and sprocket just to satisfy my curiosity about it.

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Postby CrystalPistol » Sun Aug 07, 2016 7:37 pm

roadwanderer2 wrote:i took the starter off personally when i replaced it 7 months ago and again to re-replace it again last month because with all the electrical problems, it burned it out, and i DID see the starter chain and sprocket in there, but i didn't take a real close look at it. its possible that the sprocket is bad where the starter gear mates up with the sprocket splines. in any event, tomorrow i'm going to start pulling it apart, but before i do all that, i'm gonna take the starter back off and take a good look at the chain and sprocket just to satisfy my curiosity about it.

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Oh,OK ..... then you know your way around there ..... Good Luck! :)

I asked about oil as thicker oil like 20w50, 20w40 will sometimes cause the rollers to stick.
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Postby roadwanderer2 » Sun Aug 07, 2016 8:43 pm

Hey Crystal, i did make the mistake of putting a heaver weight oil in it was a big mistake, thats why i put some sea foam into the crankcase to try and thin it down a bit and maybe loosen up the starter clutch rollers at the same time but i guess its not gonna work. i'll have to do some reading on removing the motor. hopefully it is almost the same as my 1100 with the exception of the fuel injection, clutch slave cylinder and the drive shaft.

first thing i need to take off are the saddlebags because after i get the motor off, i'm also going to remove the final drive and drive shaft and swap it out with one i have from an 85 LTD. the one thats on mine now is starting to make noises. it sounds like a truck transmission when i decelerate. mostly a "whining" sound coming from the back of the bike. i was reading a post that someone made about a recall on the 85 aspencade final drive, so i'm gonna try and find out if the one i have was fixed with the recall notice. if not, i'll have it taken care of before i put it on my bike.

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Postby roadwanderer2 » Mon Aug 08, 2016 6:26 am

Rednaxs60 wrote:
roadwanderer2 wrote:let me ask you a question Ernest, when i remove the engine case will there be anything jumping out at me like any springs, roller bearings or anything tiny enough that might get lost while i'm separate the engine casing?

stuart.


Nothing jumps out at you. The only issues were the oil that is left in the rear case and taking the bolts out. I had two bolts just above the starter that gave me grief and broke. I was able to centre punch, drill and tap the original threads.

The parts for the starter clutch are (checked the fiche for your '86):
Spring 28125-516-030
Cap start Roller 28126-415-000
Roller 91101-516-000

When you remove the rotor to replace the above parts, to put the rotor assembly back on, remove the gear off the starter, put the rotor back on gently and using the starter chain, turn the starter sprocket until the rotor slips into place.

Be careful when removing the rear case. The output shaft oil seal for your bike is apparently difficult to get, and is different from my '85. Item #9 - P/N 91201-ML8-003.

The stator comes out with the rear case. There are three bolts that keep it in place.


Cheers


Hey Ernest, thank you very much for the photos of the rear innards of the engine casing. they are perfect. now i can see everything before i remove the motor. this gives me a little more confidence to take on this project.

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Postby roadwanderer2 » Mon Aug 08, 2016 6:53 am

roadwanderer2 wrote:
Rednaxs60 wrote:
roadwanderer2 wrote:let me ask you a question Ernest, when i remove the engine case will there be anything jumping out at me like any springs, roller bearings or anything tiny enough that might get lost while i'm separate the engine casing?

stuart.


Nothing jumps out at you. The only issues were the oil that is left in the rear case and taking the bolts out. I had two bolts just above the starter that gave me grief and broke. I was able to centre punch, drill and tap the original threads.

The parts for the starter clutch are (checked the fiche for your '86):
Spring 28125-516-030
Cap start Roller 28126-415-000
Roller 91101-516-000

When you remove the rotor to replace the above parts, to put the rotor assembly back on, remove the gear off the starter, put the rotor back on gently and using the starter chain, turn the starter sprocket until the rotor slips into place.

Be careful when removing the rear case. The output shaft oil seal for your bike is apparently difficult to get, and is different from my '85. Item #9 - P/N 91201-ML8-003.

The stator comes out with the rear case. There are three bolts that keep it in place.


Cheers


Hey Ernest, thank you very much for the photos of the rear innards of the engine casing. they are perfect. now i can see everything before i remove the motor. this gives me a little more confidence to take on this project. just a few questions.....is there a sur clip or snap ring on the drive shaft like there is on an 1100 and did you have any problems removing the flywheel to get to the starter clutch, and what is the torque value of the flywheel when i get ready to bolt it back onto the motor.

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Re: starter chain sproket

Postby Rednaxs60 » Mon Aug 08, 2016 10:40 pm

Stuart - there are no clips on the prop shaft or u-joint. The damper spring on the FD end and the spring on the u-joint end keep everything together. I would recommend getting these and replacing when you do the FD change - probably less than 410.00 US where you are. Here are some pics. The first is the u-joint and swing arm on the work bench:

This pic shows the prop shaft with the OEM stop ring installed from the factory. This stop ring is not needed on reinstall. Remove stop ring and discard.

This picture shows the prop shaft lubed and ready to be installed with new oil seal - stop ring removed.


When I put the u-joint and prop shaft together I have the swing arm disconnected (both sides) put the u-joint and shaft together in the swing arm. I then install the swing arm, then put the u-joint on the engine output shaft (making sure the u-joint and prop shaft stay together). I then install the FD on the swing arm. There is a lot of play and if you are careful/gentle, you will not damage the prop shaft oil seal. Takes all of 10 to 15 minutes to get the u-joint, prop shaft and swing arm up in place.

To get the rotor/starter clutch off you need a 30 mm deep socket. It gets torqued to 85 N.m (61 ft-lbs).

To remove the left side swing arm bolt, you can use a PAR Tool FR6 - get from your local bicycle shop - about $15.00 USD.

Interesting you are going to change the FD to an '85 LTD unit. I have two more items to refurbish - steering stem bearings and the FD. Just going to replace the bearings and seals. Done practically everything else. These are for this fall.

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Postby roadwanderer2 » Tue Aug 09, 2016 7:16 am

'morning Ernest. i have the driveshaft from the 85 FD that i'm also gonna use, but i'm not removing the swing arm. however, once i remove the motor, i will get a new oil seal to reinstall.

im still undecided wither or not i want to do this do to the fact that the person that did the electrical work has done away with all the plastic connector harnesses by "hard wiring, soldering and heat shrinking" all the reg/rec, stator, and starter solenoid wires together. i would have to cut everything apart that he did and use male and female "water proof" connectors. that would be making the $400.00 it cost me to find the short and fix the electrical problem spent for almost nothing, not to mention the cost of renting a trailer, again, and i would have to take the bike back to him to redo all the work he's already done, but, for $1,200.00 he's willing to do all the work on it, IE: pull the motor, put in new starter clutch parts, new stator, new clutch friction plates, rebuild the clutch slave cylinder and put it all back together.

now i have to make a decision if i want to spend that kind of money on this bike. sure the bike is worth it, but thats a lot of money to drop into it for someone thats on a fixed income, and thats not including the parts i would have to buy for it. the $1,200.00 is just for the labor. the final cost? roughly $2,000 with all the parts, renting another trailer, fuel to get the bike to him and any other "incidentals".

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Re: starter chain sproket

Postby Rednaxs60 » Tue Aug 09, 2016 9:32 am

Morning Stuart. Hear you on the fixed income as I am there as well. Did without on a lot of items to get my bike to where it is.

Cannot tell you how many hours I spent removing the engine, sourcing the necessary parts, doing the alt mod and reinstalling the engine, but I can say it was at least 40 hours, probably many more.

You are fortunate to have a fellow who will work on these older bikes, no one that I know of out here, and if there is, it would be time and material. The $1200.00 sounds very good for what you want done.

I pick up parts over a period of time then do the work, makes it more palatable so to speak.

Had an older neighbour a few years back who was in his mid '80s. He worked around his house and always got things done. He chipped away at whatever he was doing and then it just seemed finished. I did the crisis management work ethic, leave it until the last minute then go all out. It was not as effective or efficient. I now do a little at a time and stay at it, works much better.

If you have a place to work on your bike and have a couple of months to do the work, give it a go yourself. No special tools required except for the clutch, and even these are not expensive (I am a very frugal Canadian) and can be made as well.

My '85 LTD is the first bike I've ever taken apart and put back together after having done this much work on it - took a '72 Suzuki 250 Hustler apart once and it ended as a basket case to the scrap yard - better at finishing work now. Really didn't want to do the work, but glad I did.

I'm certain that whatever you decide will be best for you. It's all good and much better than the alternative. Here to help.

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Postby roadwanderer2 » Tue Aug 09, 2016 10:46 am

Hey Ernest, i hear ya about the fixed income thing and doing work bit by bit. i did that with my 1100. took the motor off then waited to buy the parts 1 or 2 parts at a time, then put everything on it, t/belts, tension pulleys, clutch, stator, valve adjustment, then putting the motor back on the bike. it was difficult to do because i had removed the motor 3 months prior to being able to put it back on again forgetting a few things on reinstall like the upper front engine shield, that metal shield, (heat protector) that sits in front of the carb rack, and which wires plug into the fan and oil switches lol, but i eventually got it back together and its been doing great for the past 2 years now with absolutely NO problems engine wise. in fact, it runs so good even with 111,000 miles on it, i wouldn't hesitate to fill it fuel and ride it 862 miles back down to Florida tomorrow for the 3rd time.

i might have found a solution to this financial problem. i was at my local veterans outpatient clinic this morning and an elderly gentleman,(somewhere in his late 60's), was looking at my 83 aspy really hard, and when i came outside we started talking. seems that he also had an 82 1100 aspy back in his day and is looking to get another one for him and his wife to ride, so i mentioned that mine, (my 83) was for sale and i wanted $2,000.00 dollars for it, and after i told him what all i've put into it he said he would call me at the beginning of next month and maybe buy it from me. if that works, i'll have more than enough to fix my 86 all at one time.

keeping my fingers crossed.

stuart.

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Re: starter chain sproket

Postby Rednaxs60 » Tue Aug 09, 2016 10:49 am

Sounds great!! If I can be of help with information let me know.

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Re: starter chain sproket

Postby roadwanderer2 » Tue Aug 09, 2016 11:41 am

Rednaxs60 wrote:Sounds great!! If I can be of help with information let me know.

Cheers


oh trust me, i will.

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Re: starter chain sproket

Postby roadwanderer2 » Wed Sep 14, 2016 9:05 am

Rednaxs60 wrote:Stuart - there are no clips on the prop shaft or u-joint. The damper spring on the FD end and the spring on the u-joint end keep everything together. I would recommend getting these and replacing when you do the FD change - probably less than 410.00 US where you are. Here are some pics. The first is the u-joint and swing arm on the work bench:
U-joint Proper Install Position.jpg

This pic shows the prop shaft with the OEM stop ring installed from the factory. This stop ring is not needed on reinstall. Remove stop ring and discard.
Driveshaft spline with original stop ring installed.jpg

This picture shows the prop shaft lubed and ready to be installed with new oil seal - stop ring removed.
Driveshaft with spline lubed and new oil seal installed.jpg


When I put the u-joint and prop shaft together I have the swing arm disconnected (both sides) put the u-joint and shaft together in the swing arm. I then install the swing arm, then put the u-joint on the engine output shaft (making sure the u-joint and prop shaft stay together). I then install the FD on the swing arm. There is a lot of play and if you are careful/gentle, you will not damage the prop shaft oil seal. Takes all of 10 to 15 minutes to get the u-joint, prop shaft and swing arm up in place.

To get the rotor/starter clutch off you need a 30 mm deep socket. It gets torqued to 85 N.m (61 ft-lbs).

To remove the left side swing arm bolt, you can use a PAR Tool FR6 - get from your local bicycle shop - about $15.00 USD.

Interesting you are going to change the FD to an '85 LTD unit. I have two more items to refurbish - steering stem bearings and the FD. Just going to replace the bearings and seals. Done practically everything else. These are for this fall.

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hey Ernest, im having a problem putting my driveshaft and final drive back onto the swing arm. is it necessary to leave the spring on the front end of the driveshaft or can it be removed and left off while im trying to reinstalling the driveshaft.

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Re: starter chain sproket

Postby Rednaxs60 » Wed Sep 14, 2016 9:25 am

Stuart - is your issue the infamous "prop shaft won't slide into the u-joint"? As for your question, you have to have the spring installed when you put the prop shaft in, you cannot install the spring after you install the prop shaft.

I detailed how I put the rear drive system in place. It works for me. When the prop shaft will not slide into the u-joint, it is quite annoying.

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