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water pump/trans case question

Postby walker70 » Fri Aug 26, 2016 3:42 am



Hello all,well I am down to this last bit of work on my bike,have to replace the front trans cover gaskets so I am replacing all gaskets,water pump/oil filter/trans cover,so now to the stupid part,when I removed the bolts from the cover I did lay them in the order I took out but later I tripped in my shop where the bolts were sitting,so now I need to see if there someone on here who may have a photo of the bolt arrangement,I don't want to put the wrong ones in the wrong place since this concerns water pump/trans cover on the front of the engine below the timing covers,I feel very stupid about this cause I normally am a lot more careful with things such as this,my manual does not show the bolt patterns,it is a Haynes,thanks for any help. :oops:



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Re: water pump/trans case question

Postby twocams » Fri Aug 26, 2016 10:29 am

Im not sure what your problem is :?: But if you have different heads on the bolt or socket size heads. If your looking at length, use a piece of wire to put in the bolt hole. If the hole is 1/2" deep you know a 1" long bolt wont work. Big projects any more I use zip-lock bags to put bolts/stuff in. Cause it maybe weeks before I get to reassemble. Then mark the bag. I know im not much help, but its early. Wait till about noon....then Im really smart.



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Re: water pump/trans case question

Postby roadwanderer2 » Fri Aug 26, 2016 11:18 am

here is a parts diagram of what your front cover and other parts look like including bolts and part numbers.............http://www.partzilla.com/parts/search/H ... parts.html look at the bolts and their corosponding part numbers, they will show the sizes in metric. look at part #'s 13 thru 18, those are your cover and other related bolts.

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Re: water pump/trans case question

Postby walker70 » Sat Aug 27, 2016 3:00 am

Thanks for the info,I had already looked at the same diagram you show in the link,but I will test fit all parts before final assembly.

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Re: water pump/trans case question

Postby roadwanderer2 » Sat Aug 27, 2016 6:40 am

walker70 wrote:Thanks for the info,I had already looked at the same diagram you show in the link,but I will test fit all parts before final assembly.


just goes to show ya, great minds think alike lol.

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Re: water pump/trans case question

Postby walker70 » Sun Aug 28, 2016 2:59 am

Hello again,figured out the right bolt sequence,now for another question,the small orings that go on the oil tube and also a collar that is on the inside of the case,do you need to put any sealant around them to hold them in place or not,will post a photo of what I am talking about when I get up this morning.

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Re: water pump/trans case question

Postby roadwanderer2 » Sun Aug 28, 2016 6:29 am

personally, if they are vertical sitting o rings, i would put a very thin layer on the case side, let it set up a little, then put the o rings where they go so they stay in place while putting the engine casing back together. but thats just me. i wouldn't want any vertical o rings slipping off their mounting position while putting the case halves back on. on the oil filter, its ok not to have to use any sealant. i would put some on the water pump o rings also.

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Re: water pump/trans case question

Postby walker70 » Sun Aug 28, 2016 7:55 pm

Hi again,was wondering about this,according to Honda the oring that goes on the oil tube is this part#91319-300-000 but it seems a bit smaller than the one I took off the tube,I know that orings will compress when everything is tightened up,but here is a photo of both orings,the oil tube and the collar that goes in the case below the oring for the water passages and the one by the water pump,hope I didn't confuse anyone,I really need to learn to make circles or arrows to point stuff out

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Re: water pump/trans case question

Postby walker70 » Mon Aug 29, 2016 2:51 am

Another question,perhaps I will run out of things to ask someday,anyway here it is,I have two types of gasket sealant, so which do you guys think would be best for this cover,the grey tube I have used on my truck where there is no gasket for the timing cover on the truck,the regular rtv I use for most other applications,just want your opinion,

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Re: water pump/trans case question

Postby roadwanderer2 » Mon Aug 29, 2016 6:17 am

i use the form-a-gasket for a lot of my things, but this is what i mainly use for mating gaskets to surfaces, IE: valve covers, trans pan gaskets, head gaskets etc etc.......http://www.autozone.com/sealants-glues- ... ckfit=true

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Postby roadwanderer2 » Mon Aug 29, 2016 6:23 am

walker70 wrote:Hi again,was wondering about this,according to Honda the oring that goes on the oil tube is this part#91319-300-000 but it seems a bit smaller than the one I took off the tube,I know that orings will compress when everything is tightened up,but here is a photo of both orings,the oil tube and the collar that goes in the case below the oring for the water passages and the one by the water pump,hope I didn't confuse anyone,I really need to learn to make circles or arrows to point stuff out
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when i put a new thermostat in my bike, i took the old o ring to my local parts store and had them match one up to it, and it came out just as good as the old one. if you have any doubts, take both old o rings to the store and let them match them up with new ones. get them as close as possible to the old ones, put a thin coating of shellac onto the surface of where they sit and button it up. i've put about a thousand miles on my bike since i've replaced it and have had no leakage from it.

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Re: water pump/trans case question

Postby walker70 » Mon Aug 29, 2016 11:58 am

Thanks,I had almost forgot about the shellac,and since I posted last night I found some orings that are the right size,not too loose or tight.

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Re: water pump/trans case question

Postby roadwanderer2 » Mon Aug 29, 2016 12:07 pm

thats great. just put a thin layer of the shellac on the casing, let it set for a couple of hours then put the o rings on them and its done. make sure you dont get any shellac on the mating surfaces.

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Re: water pump/trans case question

Postby walker70 » Tue Aug 30, 2016 3:49 am

Hi,I got the front case back on tonight,and even tho you say not to put it on the mating surface I did as I always have, the only thing I know about doing it that way is that is harder to remove it,put a thin coat of it on both gasket and the case,now I have a question about what kind of coolant to put in it,I know that Honda has their own brand but I was wondering if there is something that is just as good but cheaper.

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Re: water pump/trans case question

Postby roadwanderer2 » Tue Aug 30, 2016 6:07 am

hey, i hear ya about how much mother Honda is with her "stuff". i use an antifreeze thats already 50/50 premixed. whatever's on sale at the auto parts stores. usually runs around $12.00 a gallon. i've used it in my GL500i silverwing interstate and have been using it in my 2 wings and haven't had any problems with overheating in any of them, but its your call on what you want to use.

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Re: water pump/trans case question

Postby walker70 » Tue Aug 30, 2016 2:30 pm

Thanks,I have Walmart super tech brand 50/50 mix,it states it is safe for all types of engines,I know whatever I use needs to be safe for these Goldwings. :D

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Re: water pump/trans case question

Postby roadwanderer2 » Tue Aug 30, 2016 2:39 pm

well, there are some things you can get away with using thats not really "mother Honda approved", but they work just as good without the hefty price tag.

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Re: water pump/trans case question

Postby walker70 » Wed Aug 31, 2016 3:03 am

Hi,I have a new question,have got everthing back on now, but need to know about this,the gear selector plug wire was a lot of trouble to get out of the bracket that is attached to the coils,was wondering if I can get away with just plugging the connector for that wire together without putting it back in the bracket,there is not much wiggle room around the bracket,mostly cause of big fingers in the way. :D

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Re: water pump/trans case question

Postby roadwanderer2 » Wed Aug 31, 2016 6:40 am

are you talking about the bracket that holds 3 connectors? if you are, then yes, you can connect that plug outside the bracket. just make sure its not in the way of your triple tree so when you turn your handlebars it wont bind up against it or become disconnected. i had to do that with a couple of my connectors also.

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Re: water pump/trans case question

Postby walker70 » Wed Aug 31, 2016 12:31 pm

Yes,I am talking about that bracket,I thought it would be okay to plug it on the outside as long as it does not get tangled in anything plus it will be easier to unplug the next time I have to work on anything in that area,I may take the others off the bracket just for easy access. :D

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Re: water pump/trans case question

Postby roadwanderer2 » Wed Aug 31, 2016 12:42 pm

i dont see why you cant plug it in outside that bracket. it would make it easier for the next go round, in fact you COULD remove the rest of the plug connectors from that bracket. just make sure they doesn't bind up when you turn your handlebars in either direction. here's an idea, take a zip tie and zip tie all of the connectors to the outside of the bracket, that way it won't move around and it will stay connected. your choice.

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Re: water pump/trans case question

Postby walker70 » Thu Sep 01, 2016 3:29 am

Hi,I unplugged all three connectors and used a zip tie to position them next to the bracket,also made sure to put them out of the way of anything that might make them bind and such,once I did that I put everything back together and cranked it up to check for leaks after putting the front case on,so far so good,just need to check the coolant level for a while since I drained everything and to check to see that oil and coolant aren't mixing,I also reconnected the coolant reservoir since the last owner saw fit to take the tubing off of it, Gary. :D

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Re: water pump/trans case question

Postby roadwanderer2 » Thu Sep 01, 2016 4:57 am

nice work. glad to hear you got everything back together and it fired up. hope your bike runs without any problems. did you remember to "burp" your cooling system to get all the air out?. don't fill the radiator all the way up to the top. leave it at least 1 inch down to allow for fluid expansion when it gets hot. if you fill it all the way up, you could run the risk of having your radiator burst open.

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Re: water pump/trans case question

Postby walker70 » Thu Sep 01, 2016 2:38 pm

Hi,I always fill any radiator slowly and carefully but need to ask this,I put the cap back on and ran the bike for about 15 to 20 minutes then turned it off and let it cool then checked the level,it was just about an inch and half below the neck,I know that some vehicles need to have the cap off before the thermostat will open and some require it to be on,but so far everything is running fine.

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Re: water pump/trans case question

Postby roadwanderer2 » Thu Sep 01, 2016 4:52 pm

sounds like you did a good job on it and as long as the bike's temperature gauge is showing its warming up to "normal operating temperature" and doesn't overheat, i dont think you'll have any problems, but keep a close eye on the gauge to make sure.

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