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Brighter brake lights for $2.00

Postby nessy357 » Wed Sep 22, 2010 7:50 pm



For the price of two new light bulbs you can have brighter brake lights if you replace the 1157 bulbs with 2357 bulbs.
Took some pics using different bulbs to show the effect.

The left light has 1157 , the right has 2357


The left has a LED the right has a 2357


The left has a 1157 Sylvania "silver star" claimed to be 40% brighter$8/2 bulbs 2357 on the right


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Re: Brighter brake lights for $2.00

Postby maestro319 » Wed Sep 22, 2010 9:11 pm

Where do you get these bulbs? A Honda dealership? Online? Auto parts store? Looks llike a good deal to me. Always want to be better seen.

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Re: Brighter brake lights for $2.00

Postby nessy357 » Wed Sep 22, 2010 9:18 pm

Most auto stores have 2357's, I bought the Slvanias in an Auto Zone store in Wa. They didn't the 2357's in the Sylvanias unfortunatley.
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Re: Brighter brake lights for $2.00

Postby Right Winger » Sun Sep 26, 2010 9:00 pm

Although they are indeed brighter they probably run a little hotter than the 1157. I would have to wonder over time, would it damage the lenses or socket ? :)

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Re: Brighter brake lights for $2.00

Postby tech1 » Sun Sep 26, 2010 9:20 pm

Yes they will run hotter and higher amperage draw. I wouldn't put them in my bike I'd install the correct bulb. It could get costly I've seen the results of incorrect bulbs and they melt things down sockets ,lens
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Re: Brighter brake lights for $2.00

Postby nessy357 » Sun Sep 26, 2010 9:51 pm

I had them in my Concours, my travel trailer, for 2 years and no problems, yes they would run hotter, but I highly doubt hot enough to melt anything.
Did a quick google http://www.ibmwr.org/ktech/taillite.shtml
http://automotivemileposts.com/tailligh ... rison.html
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Re: Brighter brake lights for $2.00

Postby nessy357 » Mon Sep 27, 2010 12:29 am

tech1 wrote:Yes they will run hotter and higher amperage draw. I wouldn't put them in my bike I'd install the correct bulb. It could get costly I've seen the results of incorrect bulbs and they melt things down sockets ,lens
wiring.
Joe

In one of the pics I mentioned using the new Sylvania "Silverstar" which if you notice is just as bright as the 2357 , they claim it's 40% brighter than the standard 1157.
http://www.sylvania.com/cgi-bin/MsmGo.e ... silverstar 1157st&SCOPE=SearchHost&hiword=SILVERSTARS silverstar
Hope this helps to clarify my original post.
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Re: Brighter brake lights for $2.00

Postby detdrbuzzard » Mon Sep 27, 2010 6:01 am

is the 2357 brighter for just the tail light or only the brake light
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Re: Brighter brake lights for $2.00

Postby nessy357 » Mon Sep 27, 2010 10:24 am

Only the brake light is brighter, gives a better contrast.
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Re: Brighter brake lights for $2.00

Postby thrasherg » Mon Sep 27, 2010 11:55 am

Unless you ride with your brakes on all the time, it's unlikely that the brighter bulb will create enough heat to melt the lenses.. If this was a tail light I might be more worried as that is on all the time, but brakes are only on for 10% (or less) of the drive time, so I doubt that much would melt, but it is always a risk that you musty be aware of and consider before making a decision.
If it was my bike I would fit the brighter bulbs.. As mentioned the higher wattage bulbs will also put more strain on the brake switches (switching more current) but it's easy enough to replace the switches, so I would do that rather than try modifying the wiring to add a relay.. Just my point of view.. Thanks for posting the info Nessy.

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Re: Brighter brake lights for $2.00

Postby Right Winger » Tue Sep 28, 2010 12:05 am

:) An 1157 and 2357 are dual element bulbs if the brake light is brighter then the tail light will be brighter. More heat , I seen these happen on cars alot. They have two different numbers for a reason ;) If you use them( 2357) time will tell :)

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Re: Brighter brake lights for $2.00

Postby nessy357 » Tue Sep 28, 2010 12:34 am

AWLKRSN wrote::) An 1157 and 2357 are dual element bulbs if the brake light is brighter then the tail light will be brighter. More heat , I seen these happen on cars alot. They have two different numbers for a reason ;) If you use them( 2357) time will tell :)

I can assure you the tail light is not brighter, I compared them with an identical Concours.

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Re: Brighter brake lights for $2.00

Postby WingAdmin » Tue Sep 28, 2010 1:33 pm

More important is the wattage on the bulb. That determines the power it draws, and the heat it generates.

Looking it up, the 1157 bulb has two filaments: the tail light filament which draws 8.26 watts, and the brake light filament, which draws 26.8 watts. The 2357 bulb's tail light filament also draws 8.26 watts, but its brake light filament draws 28.5 watts. So it won't generate any more heat (or light) when just running as a tail light, but will generate more heat (and light) when the brakes are engaged.

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Re: Brighter brake lights for $2.00

Postby maestro319 » Tue Sep 28, 2010 2:00 pm

Ok, so now this dialogue has gotten me confused. Is the higher wattage and more heat given off by the 2357 a good thing or a bad thing? Is there the danger of melting the brake light lens, etc.? Is the extra amount of light given off worth it IF there is concern about extra heat and possible damage to the lens, socket, etc.?

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Re: Brighter brake lights for $2.00

Postby littlebeaver » Tue Sep 28, 2010 2:08 pm

Then, it would seem to me that it would be worth it to change it out...Might save a life...Wonderful Idea..

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Re: Brighter brake lights for $2.00

Postby maestro319 » Tue Sep 28, 2010 2:18 pm

Sounds good to me too.

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Re: Brighter brake lights for $2.00

Postby WingAdmin » Wed Sep 29, 2010 11:43 am

I doubt the few extra watts is going to give off enough heat to damage anything.

That said, I prefer LEDs. I have high-power LEDs in mine, which are far brighter than the bulbs they replaced, and have the added advantage that they turn on instantly - which grabs drivers' attention more than regular bulbs.

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Re: Brighter brake lights for $2.00

Postby nessy357 » Wed Sep 29, 2010 8:18 pm

I would prefer LED's , Are there different types ?
The LED that I tried (pic #2) didn't work because the socket is transverse ,?
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Re: Brighter brake lights for $2.00

Postby WingAdmin » Wed Sep 29, 2010 10:36 pm

I used these 13 watt high-power LED's that I found on eBay. I tried quite a few different LEDs from quite a few different vendors, and these are by far the brightest that I have ever seen.

The seller on eBay is "warden_jp2002".

These are the brake lights that I used, and these are the signal lights that are on my bike.

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Re: Brighter brake lights for $2.00

Postby nessy357 » Thu Sep 30, 2010 8:42 pm

I like those, good price also.
I just bought a tent trailer and it LED lights, do I have to put a resistor in for the signals.
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Re: Brighter brake lights for $2.00

Postby WingAdmin » Fri Oct 01, 2010 8:57 am

The LEDs that are meant as replacement for automotive-type 12 volt bulbs already have limiting resistors built into them.

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Re: Brighter brake lights for $2.00

Postby thrasherg » Fri Oct 01, 2010 9:18 am

Nessy, I am not sure which resistor you are refering to, there are 2 types. The one that wingman mentions that are put in series with the LEDS (which are already installed in the LED Lights when you buy them, but there are also external resistors which are put in parallel with the LED lights to sink more current so that the old style flasher relays flash at the correct speed..
As mentioned by wingman, the series resistors are not needed if you buy LED Bulbs, the parallel resistors are needed if the bulbs are mounted on your motorcycle and you have an old style flasher relay (It will flash very quickly if you don't have the parallel resistors), but for trailers you do not normally need the parallel resistor..
If you have an older wing with suspect electronics, I would strongly suggest replacing the bulbs with LED's and changing the flasher relay (NOT using the parallel resistors) as this will drop the load on the electrical system.

If you are only using the LED lights on the trailer, you should not need any additional resistors.

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Re: Brighter brake lights for $2.00

Postby nessy357 » Fri Oct 01, 2010 12:54 pm

Thanks , that's good to know, the seller sorta mumbled something about resisters. Haven't got a hitch or wired my bike yet, so couldn't check it.
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Re: Brighter brake lights for $2.00

Postby tonys » Fri Dec 03, 2010 12:47 am

LED's look like the way to go for me. a little pricey tho.

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Re: Brighter brake lights for $2.00

Postby Britanicus » Fri Feb 18, 2011 2:22 am

WingAdmin wrote:I used these 13 watt high-power LED's that I found on eBay. I tried quite a few different LEDs from quite a few different vendors, and these are by far the brightest that I have ever seen.

The seller on eBay is "warden_jp2002".

These are the brake lights that I used, and these are the signal lights that are on my bike.


Did these fit right into the existing socket that the current lights are in? or is there modification required?
I have an 82 wing.




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