'85 Goldwing 1200 won't start


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'85 Goldwing 1200 won't start

Postby revdfmiii » Mon Mar 07, 2011 4:22 pm



My '85 Goldwing 1200 won't start. Lights lite up, do not dim when trying to start, but there is no starter engagement. Off-run-off switch is in the run position. Transmission is in neutral, clutch is fully pulled. Where do I start looking? Had to jump start the other day. But with all the lights working don't think it is the battery. Thanks, Don



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Re: '85 Goldwing 1200 won't start

Postby WingAdmin » Mon Mar 07, 2011 4:45 pm

OK, the lights don't dim when you hit the start button, which says that the starter is not even attempting to turn the engine.

You did say that you had to jump start it. How exactly did you go about this?

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Re: '85 Goldwing 1200 won't start

Postby virgilmobile » Mon Mar 07, 2011 5:01 pm

I used to push my 450 twin and jump on it,pop the clutch,But I'll guess he jumper cabled right to the starter relay.Listen to the relay,does it click?They do quit working.

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Re: '85 Goldwing 1200 won't start

Postby imfree » Tue Mar 08, 2011 6:42 am

Check your starter button switch ,make sure it is doing its job ,You should atleast hear a click when you push the button,check for power to the stater relay when pushing the button,if no power check the button switch as they do wear out or need to be cleaned,or it might have a bad wire.Good luck.Joe

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Re: '85 Goldwing 1200 won't start

Postby tricky » Tue Mar 08, 2011 8:23 am

Check the plug on the right side of the battery.

http://gl1200goldwings.com/techcenter/article1004.htm

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Re: '85 Goldwing 1200 won't start

Postby revdfmiii » Tue Mar 08, 2011 9:16 am

When I jump started my wing the other day this is what I did:
Attached jumper cables from my trucks battery directly to my wings battery and it started right away.
When I try to start it now (haven't tried jumping again, yet) there is no click, no sound at all.

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Re: '85 Goldwing 1200 won't start

Postby tricky » Tue Mar 08, 2011 10:15 am

Your saying you have lights but the solenoid isnt clicking.

Examine the plug on the right side of the battery for deterioration, it is becoming a common problem for the older 1200's

you can do the checks in the attached picture and also use the link I put in in a previous post.
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Re: '85 Goldwing 1200 won't start

Postby WingAdmin » Tue Mar 08, 2011 11:04 am

If you jumped it directly to the battery and it started fine, but without the jumper you aren't even getting a click...there's a good chance that your battery is toast. It may put out the 5 amps required to light the headlight, but nowhere near the 30+ amps required to crank the engine.

That said, if the headlight isn't dimming when you hit the starter, that would tend to discount that theory. You should also be getting a click from the solenoid when you hit the starter regardless.

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Re: '85 Goldwing 1200 won't start

Postby revdfmiii » Mon Mar 21, 2011 1:19 pm

Ok, since I posted about my '85 not starting. I did some checking. Ended up buying a new battery. Worked fine for about three days, then the battery started loosing power. Today, the battery is dead. I think I remember something about NOT charging your battery still connected to the bike...it ruins something? Anyway, I did try to charge the old battery still connected to the bike. Have I messed something up? What should I do now? My new batter is dead. Thanks for your help, Don

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Re: '85 Goldwing 1200 won't start

Postby tricky » Mon Mar 21, 2011 2:12 pm

OK have you checked to see if it actually charging the battery when it is running.

no problems charging a battery that is connected to the system. heck if there is I have been very lucky I plug in a battery tender every night for the past 15 years.

Is the alternator charging the battery?

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Re: '85 Goldwing 1200 won't start

Postby revdfmiii » Mon Mar 21, 2011 8:56 pm

Thanks for the quick reply. So...how do I check to see if it is charging? How do I check to see if the alternater is working? Yes, I am a backyard mechanic, but electric things throw me for a loop....:)

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Re: '85 Goldwing 1200 won't start

Postby tricky » Mon Mar 21, 2011 9:50 pm

On the left side of the battery, is there a connector there or has the connector been removed?

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Re: '85 Goldwing 1200 won't start

Postby tricky » Mon Mar 21, 2011 9:53 pm

revdfmiii wrote:Thanks for the quick reply. So...how do I check to see if it is charging? How do I check to see if the alternater is working? Yes, I am a backyard mechanic, but electric things throw me for a loop....:)


Not to worry if you have access to a simple volt/ohm meter and it doesnt need to be an expensive one, one with a gauge or digital

We have all the tests at another forum , they are here as well somewhere but I have put a link to them...

http://gl1200goldwings.com/viewtopic.php?f=52&t=2630

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Re: '85 Goldwing 1200 won't start

Postby revdfmiii » Tue Mar 22, 2011 8:21 am

tricky wrote:On the left side of the battery, is there a connector there or has the connector been removed?

No. Only the battery cable.

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Re: '85 Goldwing 1200 won't start

Postby tricky » Tue Mar 22, 2011 8:39 am

There was a connector at one time but it sounds like it has been cut out and the three yellow wires soldered together. Check and make sure the connection is good.

IF that is OK look at the connector at the regulator, this resides on the left side under the false tanks. Examine it for any signs of overheating etc.

This is now where you can test the alternator.

Pull the connector from the regulator, you may need to remove the false tank to get access to the connector.

Notice the three yellow wires at the connector., These wires come from the alternator

Using an ohm/volt meter check for continuity between the three yellow wires, if there is no continuity between the wires 1-2, 1-3, 2-3
And between them and ground.

Replace the stator or install an external alternator

Go to this link http://gl1200goldwings.com/viewtopic.php?f=52&t=2630

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Re: '85 Goldwing 1200 won't start

Postby WingAdmin » Tue Mar 22, 2011 9:48 am

Disconnect the three yellow wires next to the battery as noted. You'll need a volt/ohmmeter (DMM) to do the measuring.

Measure on the side of the connector leading down to the stator (obviously). The first set of readings should be with the engine STOPPED.

With your DMM set to measure ohms (resistance), measure from each yellow lead to ground - you should have no measurable resistance.
Measure from each yellow lead to each of the other two yellow leads - you should show continuity or very low resistance (a few ohms).

Next, start the motorcycle and hold the bike at around 3500 RPM.

With your DMM set to measure AC volts, measure the AC volts from each yellow lead to each of the other two yellow leads - you should show around 48 VAC on every pair. Careful, as you're dealing with enough power to give you a serious jolt if you touch it!

Make sure when you're measuring the stator leads while the engine is running, that your meter is set for AC - if it's on DC, it will read zero, or fluctuate near zero.

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Re: '85 Goldwing 1200 won't start

Postby roondog » Thu Mar 24, 2011 12:27 am

Me too, I am hoping that the battery I took out had just faded normally but I am highly skeptic. Couldn't I measure DC volts at the pos and neg posts when the bike is running to check for alternator output?

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Re: '85 Goldwing 1200 won't start

Postby tricky » Thu Mar 24, 2011 8:39 am

With A good battery above idle without accessories you should see 14+ volts


Here is a schematic of the LTD solenoid, pretty well the same as the aspencade but with an extra 30 amp fuse.

pull the solenoid and do the test shown here.

Once you know if the solenoid is OK put the battery on, connect the power cables on the solenoid and battery, apply voltage to the spade terminals as shown, the starter should operate.

even if you hear a click doesnt mean that the solenoid is OK you must use an ohm meter to ensure that the actual contacts inside the solenoid are closing properly.
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