no fire after short ride


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aspenoldman
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no fire after short ride

Postby aspenoldman » Sun Jul 31, 2011 5:31 pm



I have a 86 aspencade very good condition. If I start it and ride a short distance(4 or 5 blocks) and kill it it won't start for like 20 to 30 minutes. During this time there is no fire getting to the plugs. After say 20 or 30 minute it starts right up. If I start it and ride about 10 or more miles it starts all day. Does anyone have any idea what could be causing this.
Right now if I start it, I don't kill it and this is kind of a problem if I go to a store and run in to pick up something I have to let it idle outside the store.
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Re: no fire after short ride

Postby keithg64 » Sun Jul 31, 2011 8:48 pm

Check the dog bone fuse on the starter relay. Just a start.
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Re: no fire after short ride

Postby aspenoldman » Sun Jul 31, 2011 9:28 pm

That was the first thing I checked and replaced. no help, The engine turns over but no fire to plug,

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Re: no fire after short ride

Postby aspenoldman » Sat Aug 27, 2011 11:29 pm

I still have'nt found the problem so any help would be appreciated.

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Re: no fire after short ride

Postby cobra04 » Sun Aug 28, 2011 12:04 am

I seems like you got a electrical problem that is temperture related, think the first thing I would do is get it in a no start condition then ohm out the pulse generators.

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Re: no fire after short ride

Postby aspenoldman » Sun Aug 28, 2011 12:28 am

are there any kill switches ( like a low oil kill) that might be getting tripped intermittently?

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Re: no fire after short ride

Postby cobra04 » Sun Aug 28, 2011 2:13 am

Not that I'am aware of, Its pretty easy to check the pulse generators, You can check them at ignition box connector, just unplug it there the wires are blue, and blue and white, and yellow and yellow and white (I think) just get it in a no start condition. I had a situation close to what you have. If they check out, you my have a ignition control box (ignitor) problem.

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Re: no fire after short ride

Postby cobra04 » Sun Aug 28, 2011 2:54 am

Not sure how long you have owned the bike, theres not a demoblizer install is there? if there is that also maybe a issue

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Re: no fire after short ride

Postby aspenoldman » Sun Aug 28, 2011 11:49 am

I don't know about a demobilizer. I will check with the previous owner. He works with me and is clueless about the problem. Said it never happened the three years he owned the bike. But it sat more than ran the third year he had it. Thanks for all the ideas.
My son in law is a certified Suzuki mechanic and has never heard of this kind of problem.

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Re: no fire after short ride

Postby trike lady » Sun Aug 28, 2011 2:11 pm

A good way to check electronics that tend to fail when hot is to spray 'Freeze Mist' or any product that will cool down an electronic component. Spay the part in question 'Pulse Generator' and if the bike starts after being cooled with the product, you found the problem.
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Re: no fire after short ride

Postby tricky » Sun Aug 28, 2011 3:41 pm

trike lady wrote:A good way to check electronics that tend to fail when hot is to spray 'Freeze Mist' or any product that will cool down an electronic component. Spay the part in question 'Pulse Generator' and if the bike starts after being cooled with the product, you found the problem.


Pulse generators on the 86 are inside the front covers so that method wont work.

The pulse generators, if there is a problem, when heated can open, then when the engine cools down can then operate but usually till the engine heats up again.
Sometimes they can work for days, as in my case, then cause misfiring and possibly stopping the engine.

I replaced and checked all kinds of parts, finally changing out the PG,s

That fixed the problem.

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Re: no fire after short ride

Postby trike lady » Sun Aug 28, 2011 8:55 pm

Actually you can use the method if you take the covers off and ride the bike without them.
You can also remove the covers, start the bike and with a heat gun gently warm the pulse generators until the bike stalls. I've used both methods to test all types of electronic components on Goldwing trikes.
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