1995 Just died going down the road


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1995 Just died going down the road

Postby rexles » Wed Mar 21, 2012 8:50 pm



Recently bought a 95 1500 wing. 58k miles. Ran great on the test drive. Previous owner didn't ride it hardly at all last yr due to back surgery.
Kept gas full and stabil in tank and a battery minder on the battery.
Headed home with it and got 20miles down the hiway and it cut off just like I hit the kill switch. Pulled over and checked out a few things and it started right up.
Went another 5 miles and same thing. This time it did not fire up. Trailered rest of way home.
I am going to empty gas and change fuel and air filter, but it acts like it is ignition problem more than fuel.
Any ideas from the 1500 gurus??



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Re: 1995 Just died going down the road

Postby WingAdmin » Wed Mar 21, 2012 10:30 pm

Check the bank angle sensor. There was a recall on it - look at http://www.goldwingdocs.com/Manuals.asp?type=GL1500 under "Service Bulletins and Recalls".

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Re: 1995 Just died going down the road

Postby virgilmobile » Thu Mar 22, 2012 8:29 am

Also,before you tear it apart too far,see if it will start again.If it does,you will have to ride it to the end of the block and back till it quits to find out for sure if it's fuel related or spark(bank angle sensor).

Here's what I'd do.
Pull the right side 2 covers off to expose a spark plug wire.
Put a SPARE plug on one wire and crank the bike to see what it's suppose to look like.
If there is no spark,go to the bank angle problem. If it starts,put the plug wire back and the spare in your pocket and drive till it quits.
When it dies,pop on the spare plug and try to restart it.Look for the same spark.If it's not there while cranking,do the bank angle thing,If it's got spark but wont run,It's gas related.The vacuum valve is connected right at a "T" by that plug.

Do note that I did say To the end of the block and back.

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Re: 1995 Just died going down the road

Postby rexles » Thu Mar 22, 2012 8:45 pm

WingAdmin wrote:Check the bank angle sensor. There was a recall on it - look at http://www.goldwingdocs.com/Manuals.asp?type=GL1500 under "Service Bulletins and Recalls".


I have no power to fuel pump, but I can make it run by jumping from pos side of battery.
I seem to have no spark either. I will be researching the bank angle sensor a little more tomarrow. I found it , I just need to tear off the side saddle bag to get to it.
I have a service and electrical troubleshooting manual and I have a electrical engineer type comming for supper tomarrow eve. to help me figure it out.
My 95 is not covered under the recall as it only goes to 93. The bulletin, however, was issued June 1995. Go figure.

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Re: 1995 Just died going down the road

Postby rexles » Thu Mar 22, 2012 8:49 pm

virgilmobile wrote:Also,before you tear it apart too far,see if it will start again.If it does,you will have to ride it to the end of the block and back till it quits to find out for sure if it's fuel related or spark(bank angle sensor).

Here's what I'd do.
Pull the right side 2 covers off to expose a spark plug wire.
Put a SPARE plug on one wire and crank the bike to see what it's suppose to look like.
If there is no spark,go to the bank angle problem. If it starts,put the plug wire back and the spare in your pocket and drive till it quits.
When it dies,pop on the spare plug and try to restart it.Look for the same spark.If it's not there while cranking,do the bank angle thing,If it's got spark but wont run,It's gas related.The vacuum valve is connected right at a "T" by that plug.

Do note that I did say To the end of the block and back.



I installed fuel filter and air filter today, drained gas and put in a full can of seafoam and fresh gas. Fuel pump does not even try to run when I turn on the key. No spark at the plug either.
My blocks here in the country are square miles, so when I do get it running I am going to stay close to home for sure. :D

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Re: 1995 Just died going down the road

Postby virgilmobile » Thu Mar 22, 2012 10:01 pm

Sounds like you got it under control.Before you rip the bag off,you should be able to probe the plug that feeds it(taking just the seat off). Don't forget the whole thing goes to the kill switch also.

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Re: 1995 Just died going down the road

Postby rexles » Fri Mar 23, 2012 10:43 pm

OK
After stripping away half the motorcycle down to the bare frame, got to the angle sensor and checked it, OK
checked power on the module plug and had no power to thew coils or the fuel pump. Lucky I had a good Honda manual with all the wiring diagrams and a friend who is an electrical engineer who could read them.
Every thing pointed to the kill switch on the handlebar, but couldnt get to it very easy to test it. Took of the rubber cover on handlebar and cut open the wire protector and found the wire going from the switch. No power in the run position, played with the switch and got power. Jumpered between the wires and vroom vroom. :mrgreen:
Thanks for all your help guys.
Now I have to replace the rear tire and install air shocks.

How hard is it to change the kill switch??

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Re: 1995 Just died going down the road

Postby virgilmobile » Fri Mar 23, 2012 11:01 pm

Boy I'm glad I mentioned the kill switch before you tore the whole arse end off.
Disassemble the switch and clean the contacts,stretch the spring just a little.

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Re: 1995 Just died going down the road

Postby rexles » Sat Mar 24, 2012 6:21 am

I see there are two phillips head screws from under the grip area. Does the knob come off with the top of the unit?
My cruise controls are in the right grip too, is there a problem with that all going BOING when it the top comes off?

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Re: 1995 Just died going down the road

Postby virgilmobile » Sat Mar 24, 2012 8:34 am

Don't know.I've never pulled one on a 1500 apart before.
I'll gladly be the first one.I'll take pix too.
Usually,on any switch,there is a small spring that holds tension on the contacts,so a careful,slow disassembly is always called for.as far as the knob, I'll attempt to remove it only if I can't get to the contacts without pulling the whole thing apart.
This sounds like a fun diversion.I could clean and lube all the sticky buttons while I'm there too

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Re: 1995 Just died going down the road

Postby WingAdmin » Sat Mar 24, 2012 10:49 am

rexles wrote:I see there are two phillips head screws from under the grip area. Does the knob come off with the top of the unit?
My cruise controls are in the right grip too, is there a problem with that all going BOING when it the top comes off?


It comes apart without anything jumping out at you:

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The tough part is that the throttle cables are all attached in there. I've had them apart to replace the handlebar lights. It's fairly straightforward, just remember (i.e. take pictures) the routing of the wires, so you can get it back together the same way.

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Re: 1995 Just died going down the road

Postby virgilmobile » Sat Mar 24, 2012 12:25 pm

OK guys.You bullied me into it,and now your gonna pay with having to sort through all these pictures.
You wanted to know about cleaning the switches?Here it is.I started at 10:30,answered 1 phone call,took all the pictures and compiled them for yall.It's now 12:30.
tools required
tools required
switch
switch
opened up.
opened up.
remove screws
remove screws
cruise sw opened lots of springs and parts
cruise sw opened lots of springs and parts
pry off button it snaps pretty tough on the shaft
pry off button it snaps pretty tough on the shaft
pop open the cruise sw
pop open the cruise sw
clean cruise sw
clean cruise sw
ready to snap back
ready to snap back
lined up one tab in and snap
lined up one tab in and snap
cruise sw clicked
cruise sw clicked
onto the kill sw
onto the kill sw
wires off
wires off
lift sw out
lift sw out
remove E clip
remove E clip
separated
separated
cleaned and greased
cleaned and greased
ready and lined up
ready and lined up
squeeze and hold
squeeze and hold
put E clip back on
put E clip back on
reassemble
reassemble
cruise button
cruise button

On each switch I cleaned,I stretched the spring just a tiny bit.I also used moly grease to hold things in place for reassembly.All the other switches are similar in cleaning.
NOW I'M GONNA RIDE...IT"S 81 degrees outside

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Re: 1995 Just died going down the road

Postby rexles » Sat Mar 24, 2012 5:52 pm

Virgil;
You are amazing. I HAVE to do this job and don't want to and you pulled yours apart just to show me(us) how.
Thanks man, it looks easier than I thought.
Soon as I eat my samich i am going to get r done.
Thanks again for all the help.

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Re: 1995 Just died going down the road

Postby virgilmobile » Sat Mar 24, 2012 7:16 pm

Take your time.take pictures.Don't mess with the cruise switch if your concerned about the springs.It takes a steady hand to get it back together.Just clean it up if the switch is working.You can concentrate only on the switch that it troublesome.

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Re: 1995 Just died going down the road

Postby rexles » Sat Mar 24, 2012 8:33 pm

Got the switch out and took it apart and the contact on the one side is burnt down into the bakelite housing a little and not making contact so it's go to the local Honda dealer Monday and pick up a new one.
Thanks for the help and thanks to the forum for a format where one can come and get help. :D

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Re: 1995 Just died going down the road

Postby virgilmobile » Sat Mar 24, 2012 8:44 pm

If you can't get a new one quick,you can take a flat file or 200 grit paper on a flat surface and resurface the whole thing.Bakelite included.were only talking about 0.05" or so.stretch the spring a little to ensure a firm contact and put it back on.if nothing else it will get you by till a NEW one comes in and probably last another 20 years

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Re: 1995 Just died going down the road

Postby rexles » Sat Mar 24, 2012 8:48 pm

I may have to do that.
I looked on hondaparts.net and it appears the part is only sold as an assembly part no. 35130-MT2-003 for $95.
I only need the kill switch not the whole kit and kaboodle :x

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Re: 1995 Just died going down the road

Postby virgilmobile » Sat Mar 24, 2012 9:08 pm

Even if you could find a cheaper one on eBay, it may not be in any better shape than what you have now.if you resurface it,you could smear a little dialectic grease on it to keep it from oxidizing.

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Re: 1995 Just died going down the road

Postby robb » Sun Mar 25, 2012 12:17 am

I just checked my 89 and there has been no replacement yet. Is this still covered or how much for replacement. Have only owned for two years but all is well.

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Re: 1995 Just died going down the road

Postby virgilmobile » Sun Mar 25, 2012 9:19 am

robb wrote:I just checked my 89 and there has been no replacement yet. Is this still covered or how much for replacement. Have only owned for two years but all is well.

Are you talking about the bank angle sensor?I'd love for mother Honda to give me free a new one too.But after 24years,it's unlikely anybody even remembers.

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Re: 1995 Just died going down the road

Postby robb » Sun Mar 25, 2012 1:37 pm

Yes the bank sensor. Previous owners said they were never notified of recall. Might take to dealer and ask.

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Re: 1995 Just died going down the road

Postby virgilmobile » Sun Mar 25, 2012 7:43 pm

Let us know.mine is original too.




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