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reverse question

Postby jobob330 » Tue May 01, 2012 11:19 am



new bike to me. it had a bad primary start relay and it had the large posts connected to a starter button. it worked and reverse worked also. i got a new solenoid relay and put it on. starter now works from the handlebars correctly but the reverse doesn't work right. i try to use it and it bumps and tries to work but only a bump. if i keep hitting the starter button it just keeps on bumping the starter like the battery is low. seems like maybe its picking the relay but as soon as it does it drops it. i will get the wiring diagram out and see what i can see but i'm sure you guys know its small print and hard to make any sense out of. any suggestions? thanks johnny



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Re: reverse question

Postby virgilmobile » Wed May 02, 2012 12:06 pm

Just so I got this right...Your bike had a working after market start solenoid on it that worked(someway),then you put on a OEM Honda relay and now the reverse doesn't work right?

Can you post a picture of what was on it including any numbers and what wires went where?
It sounds like a wire MAY be attached in the wrong place.Possibly the big wires reversed.
Personally,I'd be looking at the difference between the 2 solenoids.Where the working one is wired to and match it to the new one.The part doesn't care what wire goes where,It will click away,but where the wires are hooked to ,will or can send the wrong signal to the control box.

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Re: reverse question

Postby jobob330 » Wed May 02, 2012 2:00 pm

when i got the bike it had a starter button wired across the large terminals on the primary solenoid. it amounts to the same thing as shorting across the big terminals with a screwdriver/. the new solenoid is just like the old one but it does work. it starts the engine from the handlebars like it should. the old solenoid would not work from the handlebar button. now pushing the handlebar button when in reverse mode it starts in reverse but almost immediately stops. im thinking some part of the circuit is dropping a relay or maybe solenoid b as soon as it picks up to start the action. i know i'm not doing a good job of describing the symptoms.. johnny

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Re: reverse question

Postby virgilmobile » Wed May 02, 2012 2:54 pm

OK,the original relay did not crank the bike with the start button but the reverse worked.
Put in a new relay,exactly the same one and now it will crank the engine but reverse doesn't work right.

I hope I got that right?

For clarification,can you identify which relay it it by the picture?
Starter relay A or B.
I'm looking at the schematic now for it.
Also,do you have a simple light type test probe?
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Re: reverse question

Postby virgilmobile » Wed May 02, 2012 3:08 pm

By the way,I hope you did check or at least charge up the battery.

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Re: reverse question

Postby zamboni920 » Wed May 02, 2012 5:02 pm

Question.....On wich bike is the starter relay B below the oilfill, near the starter? On my 1988 the B relay is at the rear of battery. Relay A is immediately in front of the battery.
Other question.....Is one of these relays dedicated to the reverse operation, or do they both work in unison? Meaning, do they both have to work properly for both the starting and reverse operation to work?

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Re: reverse question

Postby zamboni920 » Wed May 02, 2012 5:10 pm

If the speed limiter relay is bad, would that be a reason former owner decided to hotwire the relay via a seperate start button? Not sure if that would work, or a bad speed limit relay would still leave reverse dead? These Wings have some quite complicated/involved wiring, and trouble shooting my own reverse system leaves me bug-eyed in short time :?

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Re: reverse question

Postby virgilmobile » Wed May 02, 2012 5:36 pm

I can handle the wiring and I'll compile the info tonight . I think the 88/89 are a bit different on location.I'm using a later schematic for this job

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Re: reverse question

Postby virgilmobile » Wed May 02, 2012 6:33 pm

In the schematic I'm looking at,both relays are used for starting and 1 for reverse

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Re: reverse question

Postby virgilmobile » Wed May 02, 2012 9:46 pm

Here's the schematic current path and suspect parts.
Reverse uses only one relay/solenoid.
The speed limiter is 2 relays,a control box and 3 resistors.if the resistors fail,it will kill power to the motor for reverse.If the box or relays fail it will not step speeds.
The fact that it tries to reverse,I would suspect a input to the reverse control unit.Possibly the oil switch or side stand switch.
Because it worked before,I would recommend putting it back the way it was and verify it works.
Identify where the add on wiring was placed and let me know on the schematic where it was hooked up.
It's possible the add on wiring was used to bypass the starter reverse regulator or reverse control box.
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Re: reverse question

Postby jobob330 » Thu May 03, 2012 12:12 pm

ok the relay/solenoid i changed out is A on the posters picture. i'm wondering wherfe the resistors are located and think maybe they are weak or bad. i will try and get back to where it was before i changed out the relay and see if it still works in reverse that way. so what is the step speed thing you ar referring to? i do have test lights and continuity testers

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Re: reverse question

Postby virgilmobile » Thu May 03, 2012 2:13 pm

I think the resistors are under the seat area.I didn't look.It will be a heat sink,ribbed box with 4 wires on it.One goes to the reverse motor and the other 2 hook to the speed stepper circuit.When needed,the relays energize and volts goes through each of the other 2 resistors to increase the motor speed.
There's also a fuse on that circuit,it's in the bottom right corner of the picture.
The reason for the test light,is we may utilize it to find out where the volts quit at and why.
This could be done with the rear wheel up and operating reverse standing still.
Get back with me when you get it operating again or need more help.I'll do what I can from here to point you at the test points.

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Re: reverse question

Postby virgilmobile » Thu May 03, 2012 2:34 pm

Also,relay A is used by itself for reverse and cranking uses both A and B relays.




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