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noise in the rear hub

Postby rlsapp » Mon Feb 01, 2010 8:56 pm



I have a 1997 Aspencade 1500, I'm new to the Goldwing, (5 months), and the talktech site. I'm hearing a tumbling sound (low pitch) coming from the rim, or the drive. Has anyone ever experience this sound, and what did you do to correct it. I only have 30,000 mls. on the bike, and I have changed the rear gear fluid with the correct oil, and oil level.



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Re: noise in the rear hub

Postby MikeB » Fri Feb 19, 2010 11:52 pm

It is REALLY hard to diagnose a noise in these forums. However, if you are as specific as you can possibly be, maybe someone can possibly identify the source and/or tell you if it is normal or not.

What speed are you riding when you hear the noise?

Are you coasting down in speed or accelerating up in speed?

Is it audible by just turning the wheel when the motorcycle is on the center stand?

Does it sound like metal on metal or metal on plastic?

Is there any rub marks on the tire or wheel that can possibly pinpoint the problem?



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Re: noise in the rear hub

Postby rlsapp » Sat Feb 20, 2010 9:40 pm

first I would like to thank you Mike for looking into my question and concern.....Thanks. Now right into your questions.... It would be @ idle speeds, (1st or 2nd gear).... Haven't neard the noise on the center stand.... Its sounds like metal on metal, kindof a tumbling/rolling losie.... And I haven't seen any rub marks on any exterior pieces. Mike I have asked a few local Honda dealers, and YES, they want me to bring it in to look at, (for a Fee). Hoping that myself and a few good friends, (uncles) could fix it. Please give me your thoughts on a possible fix....... no PRESSURE.. (HA.HA)

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Re: noise in the rear hub

Postby MikeB » Sun Feb 21, 2010 12:29 am

My first suspicion would be the wheel bearings. If there are a few motorcycle shops that have offered to look at it for free, then give it a shot. There is no substitute for the personal touch. :D

If it was a rubbing sound, it suspect you are only hearing the brake pads rubbing on the brake disk.

Other than that, there is not a lot of other things to look at. The final drive is pretty much bullet proof.
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Re: noise in the rear hub

Postby rlsapp » Tue Feb 23, 2010 12:32 am

thanks again mike..... I will let you know the outcome of the bike.... also how do I remove the rear tire? I was told that if i got the bike high enough i could be able to remove it without removing the saddlebags etc.... any thoughts.

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Re: noise in the rear hub

Postby MikeB » Tue Feb 23, 2010 1:18 am

I personally use a motorcycle jack and I would recommend that you do too.

Remove the seat (four socket head bolts in the grab handles).
Remove the left side cover below the seat. Don't break the nipples.
Remove the left bottom rear corner of the saddlebag (two screws under cosmetic covers).
Disconnect the left saddlebag light assembly wires.
Remove the under trunk rear cover (four small phillips head screws).
Remove the left saddlebag (four hex head screws - two on the bottom and on the upper side of the saddlebag).
Loosen the left muffler so it can be dropped down for the axle removal (one muffler hanger bolt at the rear of the swing arm needs to come out and the muffler to exhaust collector box clamp bolt needs to be loosened).
Remove the rear brake caliper from its mount (two bolts). Do not remove the hose. Just swing the caliper out of the way.
Loosen the nut on the right side of the axle shaft.
Loosen the axle pinch bolt on the left side.
Start rotating and pulling the shaft out as you remove the nut.
Once the axle is out, the wheel can be removed by pulling it towards the left side of the swing arm. This will pull the drive coupling out of its splines in the final drive. Holefully the splines have been greased and there will be no wear. But that might be the source of your noise if they are worn.
Gravity will let the wheel drop to the floor and you can tilt the wheel to the side at the bottom to get it clear from the frame.
If necessary, remove the air from the tire to let it fall freely past the swing arm and frame.

In a nut shell, that is how it is done. I really suggest that you get a manual and look up the procedure. There is an online manual available on the BBS. You should not have any trouble finding it.
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Re: noise in the rear hub

Postby rlsapp » Sat Mar 06, 2010 2:33 pm

Mike and to all interested.

the noise the the hub was found to be a rubber seal inside the tire that rotated with the tire, (and not a wheel bearing), and as it rolled it made the noise. Thanks for the help, and maybe this will help someone else.

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Re: noise in the rear hub

Postby rlsapp » Sun Mar 21, 2010 6:01 pm

if the flange is bad in the rear hub, would you get a rolling, tumbling noise?

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Re: noise in the rear hub

Postby MikeB » Sun Mar 21, 2010 7:08 pm

No, I don't think so but I have never heard that type of noise from the rear rotating member.
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Re: noise in the rear hub

Postby rlsapp » Mon Mar 22, 2010 9:22 am

thanks Mike, as I have replied with the past posting I did take it to the shop, and they said it was correctted (fixed), but the noise is still in the hub. I know that Honda's drive train is one of the best on the market, but what else could it be......?

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Re: noise in the rear hub

Postby MikeB » Mon Mar 22, 2010 11:26 am

A possibility is the drive line coupling to the final drive.

There is a splined coupling at the input to the final drive and it could be dry. It is normally lubricated through a weep hole in the final drive that is ported to the splined coupling well. There is a seal around the drive line to keep lubricant in the well and water and dirt out. That particular splined coupling should also be lubricated with Moly grease about every 16,000 miles, usually around tire replacement time is a good time. There was in a tech topic to the Honda Mechanics several years ago about it because it is not in the service manual. I know this because I had a drive spline failure at around 90,000 miles on my 1999 GL1500 Aspencade due to a lack of lubrication.

As far as I know, the only way to check it is to remove the saddlebags and rear wheel and then pull hte final drive. It is a little bit of an involved and time consuming process but it is not difficult.


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Re: noise in the rear hub

Postby rlsapp » Tue Mar 23, 2010 8:59 am

thanks Mike, I will try this to see if it fixes the problem....

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Re: noise in the rear hub

Postby OU812 » Tue Oct 08, 2013 4:01 pm

New to the GL1500 but sure glad this forum exists!
My new to me 1989 has a low rumble when turning left more so then right which feels more then sounds.
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Re: noise in the rear hub

Postby OU812 » Tue Oct 08, 2013 8:55 pm

Checked the rear wheel up on the center stand and bearings feel fine.
No play, feels smooth rolling.
After owning a handful of BMW'$ I'm hoping this is normal. :)
New tires are Dunlop E3's I believe.
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Re: noise in the rear hub

Postby rlsapp » Tue Oct 08, 2013 9:16 pm

While I was problem solving I found out it was a seal that had went bad on the rear wheel. I also replaced the bearings. Some of the models need to be greased/oiled on the seals and bearings, while some do not need to be greased. The bears will make a popping sound at the early stage of going bad, but will only be heard while under a load....off the kick stand.

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Re: noise in the rear hub

Postby WingAdmin » Wed Oct 09, 2013 11:09 am

I had a bearing go bad in my front wheel. I kept feeling a noise (more than hearing), but every time I lifted the wheel, I could feel no play or grinding when turning it by hand. It wasn't until I finally removed the wheel and actually turned the inner race of the bearing with my finger that I could see/feel the play and crunchy movement in the bearing.

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Re: noise in the rear hub

Postby OU812 » Wed Oct 09, 2013 3:55 pm

I only notice it when I am leaning in a turn and not a sharp turn.
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Re: noise in the rear hub

Postby WingAdmin » Wed Oct 09, 2013 8:31 pm

OU812 wrote:I only notice it when I am leaning in a turn and not a sharp turn.


That could very easily be a cupped tire causing that.

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Re: noise in the rear hub

Postby newday777 » Thu Oct 10, 2013 7:25 am

WingAdmin wrote:
OU812 wrote:I only notice it when I am leaning in a turn and not a sharp turn.


That could very easily be a cupped tire causing that.


Exactly. Run your hand backwards over the tread. If there is steps that catch your skin the tire is cupping, very common on E3s, front and rear. And the more they cup, the louder they sing in the corners.

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Re: noise in the rear hub

Postby OU812 » Thu Oct 10, 2013 6:34 pm

WingAdmin wrote:
OU812 wrote:I only notice it when I am leaning in a turn and not a sharp turn.


That could very easily be a cupped tire causing that.

It is and experienced the issue but not the vibs on other bikes.
TP at 38 Front and 41 rear.
What is the cause on the GW's or just Dunlops?
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Re: noise in the rear hub

Postby WingAdmin » Fri Oct 11, 2013 1:11 pm

OU812 wrote:
WingAdmin wrote:
OU812 wrote:I only notice it when I am leaning in a turn and not a sharp turn.


That could very easily be a cupped tire causing that.

It is and experienced the issue but not the vibs on other bikes.
TP at 38 Front and 41 rear.
What is the cause on the GW's or just Dunlops?


So many causes - tire design, tire pressure, fork wear, fork flexion, riding style, road conditions. Pick one or all.

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Re: noise in the rear hub

Postby OU812 » Fri Oct 11, 2013 3:52 pm

Had the same issue on a BMW R1150R that disappeared when changed tire type.
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Re: noise in the rear hub

Postby 97serider » Sat Apr 19, 2014 5:36 pm

I had a similar noise o my 97 rear wheel, turns out a piece of flashing from when the wheel was cast broke off and was floating around inside the hub. Take the wheel off and remove drive spline,then check inside the wheel cavity while spinning the wheel and see if anything is floating around, it takes some patience and disabling to get the stuff out. I pulled out a piece that you could use for a fishing sinker. Good luck.




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