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1988 new battery suggestions?

Postby zamboni920 » Thu May 17, 2012 6:40 pm



Thinking about replacing battery on my '88 GL1500. It is not dead, but seems to crank slower after a day or two, as opposed to immediately after a ride. The current batter, wich the bike had when I bought it is a cheap $39.99 "EverStart" .
On my '84 GL1200, I got a $130 Yuasa battery, to help the infamous "slow crank when hot" condition. It made a world of difference, and thinking I might go the same route with the 1500. Any suggestions?
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Re: 1988 new battery suggestions?

Postby WingAdmin » Thu May 17, 2012 7:08 pm

Well, pretty much anything will work better than a cheapo "Neverstart" Wal-mart special. :)

I've had good luck over the years with Napa batteries, and if they do die...they have good warranties, that they honor, no questions asked.

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Re: 1988 new battery suggestions?

Postby virgilmobile » Thu May 17, 2012 7:12 pm

Before you jump on a new battery,pull yours out,trickle charge it for 24 hours and take it to a auto store for a load test.
Let's be sure the battery is in fact poor and not just masking another problem.
My 83 hat the slow crank when hot problem...A good clean and grease of the starter cured it.The battery was just fine.

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Re: 1988 new battery suggestions?

Postby zamboni920 » Thu May 17, 2012 7:25 pm

Wingadmin.....I am a fan of NAPA, but not sure if I trust any "store brand" batteries, or many other parts. They usually do offer a variety of brands in any given category though. And you are correct about their warranty policy.
Virgil....I will have the battery checked, but most likely will upgrade anyway. As Wingadmin said it : "NeverStart" .
My 84 starter had been proffessionaly rebuilt when I bought it, but still had the condition. I cleaned and greased it anyway, like you did. Did not help much....but the battery seems like it eliminated the problem altogether.
Usually, when I buy something that I want to last, I'll rather spend the extra money....if it is something that gets a lot of abuse, and is not expected to last long, I'll go cheaper.

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Re: 1988 new battery suggestions?

Postby dingdong » Fri May 18, 2012 8:01 am

If you are set to get a new battery that will last longer than any of the others go with an AGM battery.
http://wingstuff.com/products/20124-sea ... gm-battery
Not advocating this dealer just the type of battery.
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Re: 1988 new battery suggestions?

Postby vtxcandyred » Fri May 18, 2012 8:31 am

DEKA AGM battery.

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Re: 1988 new battery suggestions?

Postby robb » Fri May 18, 2012 6:18 pm

There is a Walmart within walking distance so when wing was dead I got an Everstart. Two years and it still cranks first try. Everstart in my Vstar and it's over 4 years old and still cranks, but it is always on trickle charger.


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Re: 1988 new battery suggestions?

Postby zamboni920 » Fri May 18, 2012 6:27 pm

Robb....That is a good argument for the walmart Everstart. Mine still cranks too, but seems to loose power over short time. And....I do not know how old this battery is, nor how it has been maintained.
When the time comes, I will check into the AGM batteries.

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Re: 1988 new battery suggestions?

Postby detdrbuzzard » Sat May 19, 2012 9:12 am

odyssey pc680, i have one in both wings. the pc680 for the 1200 wing has been on the charger twice because there was a problem with the ignition switch the pc680 for the 1500 wing has never been on a charger. both batterys are about four years old now
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Re: 1988 new battery suggestions?

Postby redial » Mon May 21, 2012 8:20 am

The following quote is from Wikipedia, and looks very promising to me. There are commercial applications of this particular battery, including mc, with several advantages over the usual types of batteries.

The caveat is that I have not used this type of battery, but I will be investigating this further when I need my next battery.

[color=#008000]History

LiFePO4 was discovered by John Goodenough's research group at the University of Texas in 1996,[1][2] as a cathode material for rechargeable lithium batteries. Because of its low cost, non-toxicity, the high abundance of iron, its excellent thermal stability, safety characteristics, electrochemical performance, and specific capacity (170 mA·h/g, or 610 C/g) it gained some market acceptance.[3][4]

Its key barrier to commercialization was intrinsically low electrical conductivity. This problem, however, was then overcome by reducing the particle size, coating the LiFePO4 particles with conductive materials such as carbon, and doping[3] the result with cations of materials such as aluminium, niobium, and zirconium. This approach was developed by Yet-Ming Chiang and his coworkers at MIT. It was later shown that most of the conductivity improvement was due to the presence of nanoscopic carbon originating from organic precursors.[5] Products are now in mass production and are used in industrial products by major corporations including Black and Decker's DeWalt brand, the Fisker Karma, Daimler, Cessna and BAE Systems.[citation needed]

Most lithium-ion batteries (Li-ion) used in consumer electronics products use lithium cobalt oxide cathodes (LiCoO2). Other varieties of lithium-ion batteries include lithium manganese oxide (LiMn2O4) and lithium nickel oxide (LiNiO2). The batteries are named after the material used for their cathodes; the anodes are generally made of carbon and a variety of electrolytes are used.[citation needed]

Advantages and disadvantages

The LiFePO4 battery uses a lithium-ion-derived chemistry and shares many advantages and disadvantages with other Lithium-ion battery chemistries. However, there are significant differences.

LFP chemistry offers a longer cycle life than other lithium-ion approaches.[6]

The use of phosphates avoids cobalt's cost and environmental concerns, particularly concerns about cobalt entering the environment through improper disposal.[6]

LiFePO4 has higher current or peak-power ratings than LiCoO2.[7]

The energy density (energy/volume) of a new LFP battery is some 14% lower than that of a new LiCoO2 battery.[8] Also, many brands of LFPs have a lower discharge rate than lead-acid or LiCoO2. Since discharge rate is a percentage of battery capacity a higher rate can be achieved by using a larger battery (more ampère-hours).

LiFePO4 cells experience a slower rate of capacity loss (aka greater calendar-life) than lithium-ion battery chemistries such as LiCoO2 cobalt or LiMn2O4 manganese spinel lithium-ion polymer batteries or lithium-ion batteries.[9][10] After one year on the shelf, a LiFePO4 cell typically has approximately the same energy density as a LiCoO2 Li-ion cell, because of LFP's slower decline of energy density. Thereafter, LiFePO4 likely has a higher density.[/color]
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Re: 1988 new battery suggestions?

Postby terryj » Mon May 21, 2012 6:31 pm

My last bike was a Yamaha Venture Royal, nice riding bike however it did suffer from "slow cranking when hot". Due to these bikes having a stator, like the GL1200s, corrsion in the battery wires do effect the ability to deliver amperage from the battery upon cranking. I pulled out the old battery cables to the starter and replaced them with bigger cables, cured the cranking.

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Re: 1988 new battery suggestions?

Postby Kiwi2 » Tue May 22, 2012 4:48 am

I have found that the batteries (Yuasa) in the 1500 normally last between 5 and 6 years and then they stop. There is nothing worse that having the bike start up first thing and away you go for a days outing ...... then stop for a coffee or cup of tea (Very British you know), and the bike will not start again and it is no use trying to bump start them.

After my third Yuasa battery I changed my alternator to a compu-fire which included a new battery which will last for years.

A yuasa battery here in New Zealand costs the short end of $NZ200.00 ($US152.00). We can buy cheaper batteries, but like the ad says you pays your money and you takes your chances.

The cheaper the battery the less it will last.

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Re: 1988 new battery suggestions?

Postby zamboni920 » Tue May 22, 2012 6:30 am

Terryj.....I like the idea of replacing the battery cables with larger diameter. It might make a difference, as it apparently did in your case, although my impression is simply that the GL1200 starters were manufactured with cheap copper windings, and therefore increase resistance when hot. I am not an electrical engineer, and have no idea as to the truth of this.
Kiwi2.....don't forget the crumpets or scones with your tea :D . I did some research on batteries before I got the Yuasa for my 1200. This was before I new about this forum, and my research only included online searches. It did seem like the Yuasa battery was highly recommended by Motorcycle "experts" . It works well for me (for now) .
I would love to get the Compu-fire alternator/battery kit for the 1500, but it is a bit over my budget right now. I might go that route when time comes for battery replacement.
I do think most batteries are fine, with proper care and maintenance. The extra alternator output would be nice though, if adding accessories and/or a trailer.

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Re: 1988 new battery suggestions?

Postby terryj » Tue May 22, 2012 9:06 am

Zamboni, I thought about going with the Compufire alternator but I could see paying 300.00 for an alternator. I went with a Powermax alternator that was rated for 85 amps, they are a direct replacement of the OEM, same size so install isn't that difficult. I contacted the owners of the alternator shop that handles these and ask questions before buying one of them. The price was reasonable 180.00 and they come with a one year warrenty, this isn't a pro-rated warrenty, if it fails within one year they will replace the alternator. So far the alternator has operated as promised and no problems. At idle I see a reading of 13.8 volts and at 3000 rpm, 14.5 volts. One thing you might want to concider when going with a higher amperage alternator is the "white" wire that connects the alternator to the battery, this wire is designed for the OEM 40 amp unit, you might want to increase the size of the wire to prevent any heat build up in the wire if your current demand exceeds the 40 amps. What I did was to install another wire the same size as the OEM wire, what this does is to distribute the current across the tow wire instead of the one wire.

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Re: 1988 new battery suggestions?

Postby wingit11 » Tue May 22, 2012 10:00 pm

detdrbuzzard wrote:odyssey pc680, i have one in both wings. the pc680 for the 1200 wing has been on the charger twice because there was a problem with the ignition switch the pc680 for the 1500 wing has never been on a charger. both batterys are about four years old now


I installed an Odyssey Dry Cell battery in my GL1100 Aspencade so long ago I don't remember. I think about 10 or 11 years ago. I have owned my GL1100 for 18 years now. It is just now losing power on a load test. I have been very happy with its performance and would recommend it to anyone. It has higher cranking amps and will take deep cycle discharge without a problem. It does cost more but if you intend to keep the bike a long time it is worth the investment.

Just my 2 cents worth.

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Re: 1988 new battery suggestions?

Postby zamboni920 » Wed May 23, 2012 2:26 am

Tons of good advice.....I like it :D . Lots of food for thought.....I like that too :D .
Now....how about trickle chargers? Useful? Reliable? Neccessary? Good and bad? Solar or plug-in?

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Re: 1988 new battery suggestions?

Postby WingAdmin » Wed May 23, 2012 11:40 am

zamboni920 wrote:Tons of good advice.....I like it :D . Lots of food for thought.....I like that too :D .
Now....how about trickle chargers? Useful? Reliable? Neccessary? Good and bad? Solar or plug-in?


5 stars for the tiny, cheap Battery Tender Jr. I own three of them now. I used to go through a battery a year until I put it on a Battery Tender Jr. I plug it in whenever the bike is parked. I've got batteries now that work like new, 4 years on - the exact same brand and type of battery that used to last me a year before I used a Battery Tender.




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