My 1999 Goldwing SE wont even turn over


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My 1999 Goldwing SE wont even turn over

Postby par4ugolf » Sun May 27, 2012 12:28 pm



Out yesterday to Home Depot. After getting what I needed I got back to the bike and had nothing for starting. Lights all work fine as well as radio. A nice guy came by and offered a jump to no avail. Have no Neutral light on the dash. Had to have it towed to a shop because I had no idea where to begin trouble shooting. Did check all the fuses and they were all good. Does anyone have any advice as to what it could be before I get into an expensive repair cost?



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Re: My 1999 Goldwing SE wont even turn over

Postby dingdong » Sun May 27, 2012 12:38 pm

Perhaps the bank angle sensor. There is still a recall for these but yours isn't included. But this is a good description of it.

http://www.goldwingfacts.com/1500%20Ser ... 500SB6.pdf
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Re: My 1999 Goldwing SE wont even turn over

Postby virgilmobile » Sun May 27, 2012 3:12 pm

The bike will not crank if the neutral light is off,with one exception,pull in the clutch handle.It"s a safety.
Also a inop neutral light can be attributed to the switch attached to the reverse lever...give it a good wiggle.

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Re: My 1999 Goldwing SE wont even turn over

Postby par4ugolf » Mon May 28, 2012 5:18 am

Numeroous tries were made with the clutch in as well, but I never even thought of the giving the Reverse a good shake. Thanks I will give it a try.

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Re: My 1999 Goldwing SE wont even turn over

Postby pgjeepster » Mon May 28, 2012 10:43 am

Have you had your seat off for any reason lately? I did my rear tire and had the two boxes attached to the upper luggage frame come off and the connectors inside pulled apart (multi-pin connectors) Pushed them tight together and it started right away. Yours sounds similar to my condition?

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Re: My 1999 Goldwing SE wont even turn over

Postby par4ugolf » Mon May 28, 2012 10:50 am

Thanks. Yes I have had my seat off, but it has been started a number of times since so I suspect that isn't the problem, but I will need to check it out. Again thanks

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Re: My 1999 Goldwing SE wont even turn over

Postby virgilmobile » Mon May 28, 2012 12:08 pm

I just tried this.I started the bike lifted the reverse lever till the neutral light went out.Killed the bike and it will not crank.So it's confirmed.if the reverse switch is bad and kills the neutral light it will not crank ever.even with the clutch lever.I removed my switch and cleaned the contacts as a preventive measure.

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Re: My 1999 Goldwing SE wont even turn over

Postby par4ugolf » Mon May 28, 2012 6:16 pm

Virgilmobile:

Just returned home from getting my bike. I took your suggestion and it worked just like you stated. Thanks for the info and maybe I ned to do like you and remove the switch and give it a good cleaning. How difficult was it to remove and any help in this matter would be greatly appreciated. Don't need this happening again if I can prevednt it with a little preventive maintenance.

Where is the switch located and how difficult was it to remove? Is there any instructions anywhere that I can download for getting at this switch?

Thankyou very much for your help and thanks to all that offered their help.

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Re: My 1999 Goldwing SE wont even turn over

Postby virgilmobile » Tue May 29, 2012 8:00 am

The switch is located behind the reverse lever.All that plastic has to come off,including the lever.
The switch itself is a "microswitch" and was never intended to be 'repaired' or cleaned.
This never stopped me from trying,I figured I was going to replace it anyways.

It is also classified as a "self cleaning contact" altho age will catch up with them.
If your comfortable around a very tiny spring loaded switch innards,it can be disassembled and the contacts cleaned.Otherwise just put a new one in.The bike has several of this type of switch,Eg..brake switch,clutch lever, cruise safety,etc.
It's location
It's location
What it looks like
What it looks like
Not the actual switch.But you get the idea
Not the actual switch.But you get the idea

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Re: My 1999 Goldwing SE wont even turn over

Postby RBGERSON » Tue May 29, 2012 7:28 pm

Just checking?? you are saying that if the switch behind/of the reverse lever gets stuck then it kills the bike and nothing will get it to turn over/start. So if it all goes bad check the reverse switch..behind the lever.

Is there a way to bypass it w/o taking off all the plastic off and cleaning the switch..say on the side of the road. A way to jumper past it or take it out so it doesn't kill everything??
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Re: My 1999 Goldwing SE wont even turn over

Postby virgilmobile » Tue May 29, 2012 10:43 pm

A bad reverse lever switch will kill the ability to crank the bike.It will not kill the ignition.I'll look at the parts and plug location,but I really doubt there's a easy roadside fix.It may have to be a custom bypass wiring switch.but what's the point.with a screwdriver or nail you could just jump the battery wire on the starter solenoid and manually crank it.

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Re: My 1999 Goldwing SE wont even turn over

Postby robb » Wed May 30, 2012 9:13 pm

The wing is not supposed to crank when the reverse lever is activated, ever, even with clutch pulled in. My bike runs fine without a neutral light. If I need to find it will just ratchet reverse handle rapidly and it will light up. Does the reverse light come on when activated. Check the switch on clutch lever; could be with bike running, uprighted and side stand up does it die when clutch is pulled in.

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Re: My 1999 Goldwing SE wont even turn over

Postby rayfie » Thu May 31, 2012 10:30 pm

want start with the stand down to.....it has to be all the way up...

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Re: My 1999 Goldwing SE wont even turn over

Postby robb » Fri Jun 01, 2012 10:16 am

With stand down bike will start IF bike is in neutral or IF in gear, the clutch is pulled in.

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Re: My 1999 Goldwing SE wont even turn over

Postby par4ugolf » Sat Jun 02, 2012 8:18 pm

Ok, but how do you get the plastic off that the Reverse goes through? The part that the Reverse goes through doesn't look like it is oh so easy to remove, or am I missing something? Is there something online to give a clearer explanation for doing this?

I have been out of town for most of the week for work so I am just getting to this now.

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Re: My 1999 Goldwing SE wont even turn over

Postby Kiwi2 » Sun Jun 03, 2012 12:00 am

Hi Par, Ok I have just had a look at my service manual: The reverse lever is covered by a rubberized cover ....... pull it back and you will see a bolt (the wing tool kit has the correct size do hicky to fit), undo this and the lever will come off.
Now take off the plastic panels (Oh the seat also has to come off, do this first). When the required number of panels are removed you can refit the reverse lever and do what you have to.

Just take your time.

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Re: My 1999 Goldwing SE wont even turn over

Postby WingAdmin » Tue Jun 05, 2012 2:27 pm

You can see it here:

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I took these pictures from How to replace your cruise and sub air filters which detail the removal (and replacement) of all that plastic that you're talking about.

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Re: My 1999 Goldwing SE wont even turn over

Postby par4ugolf » Sun Jun 17, 2012 7:42 pm

Do I need to take off the section with the radio in it as well as the seat. I see by these pictures you sent that it is sort of behind the reverse lever. That being the case surely that part of the fairing is in the way or am I wrong on this? Does that black plastic behind the lever come out also? Sorry but I am not too sure about attacking this without questions being answered.

You say at your last reply that after taking out the lever you can see it there, but I don't see the switch in the picture and if it is that close why is all the removal needed? Again I am sorry for the questions and I am very grateful for your help, I don't want to get into something I will make worse.

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Re: My 1999 Goldwing SE wont even turn over

Postby WingAdmin » Sun Jun 17, 2012 8:24 pm

par4ugolf wrote:Do I need to take off the section with the radio in it as well as the seat. I see by these pictures you sent that it is sort of behind the reverse lever. That being the case surely that part of the fairing is in the way or am I wrong on this? Does that black plastic behind the lever come out also? Sorry but I am not too sure about attacking this without questions being answered.

You say at your last reply that after taking out the lever you can see it there, but I don't see the switch in the picture and if it is that close why is all the removal needed? Again I am sorry for the questions and I am very grateful for your help, I don't want to get into something I will make worse.


To get to the reverse switch you have to remove the side cover - and there's a bit you have to take off to get to it. It is located right next to the cruise air filter, so have a look at How to replace your cruise and sub air filters for details on what you have to remove (and in what order) to get to it.

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Re: My 1999 Goldwing SE wont even turn over

Postby Kiwi2 » Sun Jun 17, 2012 10:44 pm

Hi Par, yes there is a bit to take off before hand. Start with the seat and if you look at what goldwing admin or other way round has found re the removal of the plastic. It is real easy just take your time as one piece locks into the next.

If things do get a bit heated remember not to have small children, the wife around while you are doing this, however teenage sons are acceptable as they know most of the words and how to string them together just incase you have forgotten.

Joking aside, it is real easy to do and like I said just take your time and when you have removed a piece put it somewhere where you won't tread on it ....... if you do, refer to paragraph two.




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