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Bias verses Radial Tires

Postby jazzrider » Sun Aug 26, 2012 11:14 pm



Has any one run radial tires on the GL1500SE?
Wingstuff has a good deal on a pair of radial bridgestones. All the reviews I have read on them are very positive and all like them better than the E3's. I like the E3's just don't like the cupping problem.



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Re: Bias verses Radial Tires

Postby tmilam » Tue Aug 28, 2012 4:57 am

1500's are not designed for radial tires. Running radials on a bike designed for bias can cause handling problems. Cupping on the tires can be caused by too soft of a suspension. I run Progressive suspension front and rear on my 89 and have no cupping.

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Re: Bias verses Radial Tires

Postby cbx4evr » Tue Aug 28, 2012 7:42 am

HAve you considered the Avon Venom tire??

I went to them from the E 3's based on some recommendations here and so far am liking them.

Cupping is related to many things. Here's what Dunlop says about it:

How can I keep my tires from cupping?

You may not be able to entirely avoid cupping. Tire cupping or irregular wear is a somewhat common occurrence on all vehicles. On a four-wheel vehicle, you are advised to rotate your tires periodically to even out wear. Unfortunately, you do not have this luxury with a motorcycle because front and rear tires, unlike those on most four-wheel vehicles, are not interchangeable.
However, there are steps that can be taken to minimize cupping and uneven wear on a motorcycle: Maintain your motorcycle and particularly your front and suspension. Avoid hard braking whenever possible. Braking causes the tire to grab and wear in one direction. When braking is applied to the front tire, the load transfer over-flexes the tire and increases the tendency for cupping and uneven wear. Maintain your tire pressures. Under inflation and overloading of motorcycle tires are significant causes of cupping and uneven wear, particularly in association with hard braking and/or trailer use.
Once a tire begins to show signs of uneven wear, even following these steps may not improve the condition.
Tire companies can, and are, helping to minimize cupping and uneven wear but you, the rider, must do your part. Following the aforementioned guidelines will help avoid uneven wear.
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Re: Bias verses Radial Tires

Postby robb » Tue Aug 28, 2012 2:29 pm

It's not that our bike was not designed for a radial but that radials did not exist when the bike was made. Radials are acceptable if run front and rear together. Have a car tire radial mounted and ready for use at next change to replace radial on rear now.

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Re: Bias verses Radial Tires

Postby budavari » Thu Sep 06, 2012 12:26 am

Do yourself a favor and do not run a car tire on a motorcycle. There's a reason they're called car tires. Those tires were designed for cars, not motorcycles. Even the car tire manufacturers advise against running them on bikes. The sidewalls weren't designed to take the load of a motorcycle when you lean it over in a turn or curve. My post here will, no doubt, bring some riders who swear by their car tires on their bikes. I will bet, however, that not one will post here who suffered a catastrophic failure from a car tire. Car tires belong on cars and only cars. Just ask the manufacturer of the car tire and the motorcycle.

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Re: Bias verses Radial Tires

Postby jazzrider » Thu Sep 06, 2012 7:31 am

Thats a good debate but I was asking about radials designed for motorcycles.
Guess I'll stick with the E3's. Was just hoping that someone had run the radials and could tell me if it handled differently.
Thanks to those who responded.

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Re: Bias verses Radial Tires

Postby cbx4evr » Thu Sep 06, 2012 8:35 am

jazzrider wrote:Thats a good debate but I was asking about radials designed for motorcycles.
Guess I'll stick with the E3's. Was just hoping that someone had run the radials and could tell me if it handled differently.
Thanks to those who responded.




Were you actually able to find radial tires in GL 1500 sizing??
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Re: Bias verses Radial Tires

Postby budavari » Thu Sep 06, 2012 9:12 am

As far as I know, radials are not made in the sizes required for the 1500 since the 1500 was designed for bias ply tires. This last weekend, Labor Day weekend, I was in Mammoth Lakes, CA for the GWRRA California District Convention and I spoke to a representative from Dunlop about the 1500 tires. She told me that motorcycles are basically designed from the tires up and the 1500 wasn't designed for radials. I had asked her about radials for mine and she told me they aren't made in the 1500's sizes.

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Re: Bias verses Radial Tires

Postby robb » Thu Sep 06, 2012 11:27 am

Tire is same size for GL1500 and GL1800 on front and went from 160/80-16 to a 180/60-16 for rear. Rear is 1/2" shorter on 1800. The front radial for 1800 rides and last longer than bias on 1500. If rear wheel was 1/2" wider the 180 would be running. Radial motorcycle tires were not around when 1500's were being made, but they will run without issue. Honda dealer put the radial on front because they were out of the bias. Now have 22k on radial and bias rear appears to be wearing better than previous tire.

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Re: Bias verses Radial Tires

Postby Wingsconsin » Thu Sep 06, 2012 11:50 am

budavari wrote:Do yourself a favor and do not run a car tire on a motorcycle. There's a reason they're called car tires. Those tires were designed for cars, not motorcycles. Even the car tire manufacturers advise against running them on bikes. The sidewalls weren't designed to take the load of a motorcycle when you lean it over in a turn or curve. My post here will, no doubt, bring some riders who swear by their car tires on their bikes. I will bet, however, that not one will post here who suffered a catastrophic failure from a car tire. Car tires belong on cars and only cars. Just ask the manufacturer of the car tire and the motorcycle.


..I guess the 19,000 miles I have on my car tire so far aren't proof enough....?
Asking the tire manufacturer is useless - the threat of lawsuit as well as the potential for lost revenue will keep them signing the company line forever.
Car tires are NOT for every person nor every bike...but there are options for the Goldwing GL1500 and GL1800 for those who would venture out of the convential view.
I can - and have - scraped my pegs while riding on my car tire. I have outrun other Wing riders at Deals Gap - Tail of the Dragon wile they had conventional motorcycle tires and I on a car tire.
There ARE advantages tot he car tire debate...however it is NOT for everyone.

By the way - you can mix radials with bias ply - just not on the same axle - which would not happen on a motorcycle. However - if you choose one type, including those designed for you motorcycle then stay with them.

This is NOT an endorsement of running a car tire rear with a sport bike rear mounted on the front tire..I am only saying it WORKS for me. There are differences in handling, and ride , and longevity that take some getting used to.

If one depends on what the manufacturers tell you ONLY - Why are you running non-Honda oil, filters, seats, brake pads, radios, GPS devices, windscreens, wid wings, highway pegs, trailers, etc. etc....

Looking to make a product a better fit for your personal use is what drives the aftermarket. 8-)

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Re: Bias verses Radial Tires

Postby vtxcandyred » Thu Sep 06, 2012 5:38 pm

Wingsconsin wrote:
budavari wrote:Do yourself a favor and do not run a car tire on a motorcycle. There's a reason they're called car tires. Those tires were designed for cars, not motorcycles. Even the car tire manufacturers advise against running them on bikes. The sidewalls weren't designed to take the load of a motorcycle when you lean it over in a turn or curve. My post here will, no doubt, bring some riders who swear by their car tires on their bikes. I will bet, however, that not one will post here who suffered a catastrophic failure from a car tire. Car tires belong on cars and only cars. Just ask the manufacturer of the car tire and the motorcycle.


..I guess the 19,000 miles I have on my car tire so far aren't proof enough....?
Asking the tire manufacturer is useless - the threat of lawsuit as well as the potential for lost revenue will keep them signing the company line forever.
Car tires are NOT for every person nor every bike...but there are options for the Goldwing GL1500 and GL1800 for those who would venture out of the convential view.
I can - and have - scraped my pegs while riding on my car tire. I have outrun other Wing riders at Deals Gap - Tail of the Dragon wile they had conventional motorcycle tires and I on a car tire.
There ARE advantages tot he car tire debate...however it is NOT for everyone.

By the way - you can mix radials with bias ply - just not on the same axle - which would not happen on a motorcycle. However - if you choose one type, including those designed for you motorcycle then stay with them.

This is NOT an endorsement of running a car tire rear with a sport bike rear mounted on the front tire..I am only saying it WORKS for me. There are differences in handling, and ride , and longevity that take some getting used to.

If one depends on what the manufacturers tell you ONLY - Why are you running non-Honda oil, filters, seats, brake pads, radios, GPS devices, windscreens, wid wings, highway pegs, trailers, etc. etc....

Looking to make a product a better fit for your personal use is what drives the aftermarket. 8-)

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I, too, run a car tire on the rear of my 93SE and a rear bike tire on the front. I had a car tire on my VTX for many years. Both of the bikes handled differently from stock. It is NOT for everyone as stated above. Do not listen to someone just because THEY say so. Do your own investigation and come up with a plan that works for you. I asked MY insurance agent about any liability issues and he checked into it and came back with nothing. You bike will ride fine on radials. By the way the rear on my bike is a car radial and the front is a rear bike radial tire. If you can find radials and you want them go for it.

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Re: Bias verses Radial Tires

Postby dmill1220 » Sat May 02, 2015 10:53 am

tmilam wrote:1500's are not designed for radial tires. Running radials on a bike designed for bias can cause handling problems. Cupping on the tires can be caused by too soft of a suspension. I run Progressive suspension front and rear on my 89 and have no cupping.


They have now designed a radial Tire For the Gl1500 WIngs, I have the 1988 model that had a set of Dunlop E3's That needed replacement I just replaced both tires with Shinko Se890s Radials That according to the local dealers are fine on the Gl1500, just never mismatch tire types or tire models .

I now have about 1k miles on my shinko radials and the bike has never handled better, very nimble and no more Wobble on Slow speed turns.
I have extensively researched use of Radials on my GL1500 I also ride two up, Just make sure the tire you pick is designed for the Goldwings and matched for the load ratings and speed ratings I changed my tires last month April 1st 2015 and 1000 miles later no problems at all

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Re: Bias verses Radial Tires

Postby robb » Sat May 02, 2015 10:28 pm

My last set of MT's was E3's, more than 20k before replacing.
Shinko is a good tire, not a new brand just a new name, formerly Yokohoma.

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Re: Bias verses Radial Tires

Postby Randy S » Sat May 09, 2015 9:12 pm

dmill1220 wrote:
tmilam wrote:1500's are not designed for radial tires. Running radials on a bike designed for bias can cause handling problems. Cupping on the tires can be caused by too soft of a suspension. I run Progressive suspension front and rear on my 89 and have no cupping.


They have now designed a radial Tire For the Gl1500 WIngs, I have the 1988 model that had a set of Dunlop E3's That needed replacement I just replaced both tires with Shinko Se890s Radials That according to the local dealers are fine on the Gl1500, just never mismatch tire types or tire models .

I now have about 1k miles on my shinko radials and the bike has never handled better, very nimble and no more Wobble on Slow speed turns.
I have extensively researched use of Radials on my GL1500 I also ride two up, Just make sure the tire you pick is designed for the Goldwings and matched for the load ratings and speed ratings I changed my tires last month April 1st 2015 and 1000 miles later no problems at all


We just bought a 1500 and put new Shinkos on it to replace old tires. We ride two up and would like to know what tire pressure we should be running. Manual says 41 in back and 36 in front when loaded heavy. On our last bike we were advised to run at pressure listed on tires. New tires the front and rear say 41.

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Re: Bias verses Radial Tires

Postby robb » Sat May 09, 2015 9:57 pm

It's not that a GL1500 was not designed for radials, it's that radials did not exist until last few years. There is 0 proof that a radial is bad for any bike.

I got 20k to a set of Elite 3 radials on my wing, far cry from the bias. A 180/60-16 will fit rear of GL1500.

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Re: Bias verses Radial Tires

Postby redial » Sat May 09, 2015 10:05 pm

When radials were introduced to the population, GM noted on one of their models sold here, that it had "RTS" - radial tuned suspension. Otherwise, nothing else seems to have been changed. I used to run radials on my trailers because of the lower rolling resistance, but otherwise no special consideration, except running radials and cross plies on the same axle. My late father-in-law was misled by his servicer, who fitted a mixture of tyres onto his car. I immediately went to the servicer and gave him the rounds of the garage for misleading a non-mechanical savvy customer.
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Re: Bias verses Radial Tires

Postby dmill1220 » Sun May 10, 2015 11:40 am

Randy S wrote:
dmill1220 wrote:
tmilam wrote:1500's are not designed for radial tires. Running radials on a bike designed for bias can cause handling problems. Cupping on the tires can be caused by too soft of a suspension. I run Progressive suspension front and rear on my 89 and have no cupping.


They have now designed a radial Tire For the Gl1500 WIngs, I have the 1988 model that had a set of Dunlop E3's That needed replacement I just replaced both tires with Shinko Se890s Radials That according to the local dealers are fine on the Gl1500, just never mismatch tire types or tire models .

I now have about 1k miles on my shinko radials and the bike has never handled better, very nimble and no more Wobble on Slow speed turns.
I have extensively researched use of Radials on my GL1500 I also ride two up, Just make sure the tire you pick is designed for the Goldwings and matched for the load ratings and speed ratings I changed my tires last month April 1st 2015 and 1000 miles later no problems at all


We just bought a 1500 and put new Shinkos on it to replace old tires. We ride two up and would like to know what tire pressure we should be running. Manual says 41 in back and 36 in front when loaded heavy. On our last bike we were advised to run at pressure listed on tires. New tires the front and rear say 41.

I run the same for two up riding 36 in front 41 in rear as per the manual just keep an eye on your tire wear and pressures. I always keep mine at the 36F 41 R and have had no problems

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Re: Bias verses Radial Tires

Postby Charlie1Horse » Sun Mar 06, 2016 9:11 pm

Run the pressure indicated on the tire and keep a close eye on the tread wear. Too much pressure will make a tire wear out in the middle of the tread. Too little pressure will cause the edges of the tread to wear more quickly. Manufacturers always tell you to inflate to a pressure that will give you a smoother ride but will wear tires on the edges. This is more noticeable on car tires because of width but still applies to bikes as well, just not to the extreme of car tires.
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Re: Bias verses Radial Tires

Postby ka4yqi » Sun Mar 06, 2016 10:00 pm

I put a set of Shinko on the 89 goldwing when they first came out with them. No problem with them, and I ran 41 front and rear, Never had a problem with them. Bike rode great and handle like it was on a rail. I sold the bike with them on it, the fellow is still running them. I got me a 1998 goldwing to replace the 89 and have put 40,000 plus mile on it with the E3s bias with no problems. I use to hear this when I worked for goodyear and firestone when putting radials on cars that came with bias ply tire on them, The wheels were not designed for radial. ( Yes I worked thru the very early years of automotive radials tire. What a time we had with them.) I dont know which way I go with the next set, but thinking about radial front and rear.

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Re: Bias verses Radial Tires

Postby bstig60 » Fri Jul 15, 2016 12:23 am

I ran a set of Avon Cobra radials on my 88, but didn't get very good mileage out of the rear one, so when I changed I went back to bias and Kenda Kruz front and rear. I am running my second set of Kendas on my 99 with good handling, ride and mileage. I just put on a new set after 18000 miles. Someone said a 180 would fit the rear of the 1500.... Has anyone tried it?
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Re: Bias verses Radial Tires

Postby FM-USA » Fri Jul 15, 2016 9:58 am

OK, I'll toss my HAT in this ring.
I've had double bias tires, double radials, bias front with radial rear AND vise-versa. I had no issues in any tire type combination.
It's almost a fallacy where some CLAIM it's not good yet never tried it themselves. Seems they're commenting on what others said OR!!! road it once for 500 feet and didn't like it. The only, I said ONLY issue someone would have with mismatched tires are road racers.
DING
Do yourself a favor and GO AHEAD and run a car tire on a motorcycle.
Since the first car tire on a GoldWing onward to-date, no one has ever had or heard of one causing an accident, other than the usual external item causing a flat tire which happens to ANY tire that holds air for its inflation.
DING
With all the miles accumulated of all motorcycles running car tires, there has got to be over a billion miles by now. IS THAT NOT ENOUGH SUCCESSFUL enough testing for you Nay-Sayers?
DING
Just one more thang, EXPERIENCE overshadows designers and keyboard pounders.
DING
OK, floodgates are open for debate[s]. :roll:
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Re: Bias verses Radial Tires

Postby vtxcandyred » Fri Jul 15, 2016 10:04 am

This thread is pretty old. I was still working when I posted.

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Re: Bias verses Radial Tires

Postby Wingsconsin » Fri Jul 15, 2016 10:06 am

FM-USA wrote:OK, I'll toss my HAT in this ring.
I've had double bias tires, double radials, bias front with radial rear AND vise-versa. I had no issues in any tire type combination.
It's almost a fallacy where some CLAIM it's not good yet never tried it themselves. Seems they're commenting on what others said OR!!! road it once for 500 feet and didn't like it. The only, I said ONLY issue someone would have with mismatched tires are road racers.
DING
Do yourself a favor and GO AHEAD and run a car tire on a motorcycle.
Since the first car tire on a GoldWing onward to-date, no one has ever had or heard of one causing an accident, other than the usual external item causing a flat tire which happens to ANY tire that holds air for its inflation.
DING
With all the miles accumulated of all motorcycles running car tires, there has got to be over a billion miles by now. IS THAT NOT ENOUGH SUCCESSFUL enough testing for you Nay-Sayers?
DING
Just one more thang, EXPERIENCE overshadows designers and keyboard pounders.
DING
OK, floodgates are open for debate[s]. :roll:
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Re: Bias verses Radial Tires

Postby FM-USA » Fri Jul 15, 2016 10:22 am

LOL!!!+!

I usually toss in a pix, miss that opportunity. BUT you nailed it. ;)
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Re: Bias verses Radial Tires

Postby FM-USA » Fri Jul 15, 2016 10:28 am

vtxcandyred wrote:This thread is pretty old. I was still working when I posted.

Looks like it was rejuvenated.
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For round 2. DING :lol:


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