Always check the timing belts!


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Always check the timing belts!

Postby uoba » Fri Sep 28, 2012 3:35 pm



Hello fellow Wingers and Wingettes!!!
I picked up an old 1988 GL1500 that had been rebuilt by a Honda Dealer after a front end crash. I've had many bikes thru the years and several with salvage titles, and don't have any problem buying a salvaged bike to rebuild or one that has been rebuilt (preferably) by a dealer. This bike only had 26k miles on it and with the new white paint job, looks great.
After reading on the forum about the wisdom of changing the timing belts on any "new to you" Goldwing, I decided to take a look at mine. I am very glad I did! The inner belt looked fine, but the outer belt had worn severely due to a bent outer half of the timing belt pulley on the crank shaft. apparently overlooked by the guys doing the rebuilt.
See pic below:

As you can see, it was worn pretty badly. I'm lucky it didn't break during the 200 miles or so that I had put on it.
I used the videos here on the forum as a guide and replaced them with new Gates belts and she runs as good as a new one. Thanks for all the wonderful information you guys have amassed here!
I'm looking forward the many enjoyable miles on this ole boy.
Cheers! :D
uoba
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Re: Always check the timing belts!

Postby WingAdmin » Fri Sep 28, 2012 4:25 pm

Wow....that's just scary! Good that you caught it, and now you enjoy your bike with no fear of timing belt problems!

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Re: Always check the timing belts!

Postby cbx4evr » Fri Sep 28, 2012 4:53 pm

I'd take those belts back to the rebuilding dealership and see if they'll give some $$$$.
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Re: Always check the timing belts!

Postby Scanjo » Sun Nov 11, 2012 11:52 pm

If you buy the timing belts through NAPA (250275) or Car Quest (T275) at a cost around $20 each, there is really no excuse for not replacing them every 60,000 or 10 years. Just make sure the belts are stamped as GATES belts. Same quality as OEM.

I've heard some people say the interval is 100,000 miles but in a zero clearance engine I don't feel comfortable with that. The way I see it...$40 versus a major engine rebuild if one fails...no-brainer.

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Re: Always check the timing belts!

Postby wiredgeorge » Mon Nov 12, 2012 8:48 am

Just bought a 97 GL1500A. Has about 44K miles. I doubt that the belts have ever been changed. Should I change the belts now? The bike runs fine with no unusual noises or problems that are apparent. If I change belts, should the tensioning spring or any other parts be replaced?
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Re: Always check the timing belts!

Postby cbx4evr » Mon Nov 12, 2012 8:54 am

wiredgeorge wrote:The bike runs fine with no unusual noises or problems that are apparent. If I change belts, should the tensioning spring or any other parts be replaced?




That's the sound it makes just before a belt breaks. Belts are 15 years old now. I would change them. They will probably still be okay but you'll be able to sleep at night.
The tensioner will likely be fine to reuse but you'll know better when you get in there.
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Re: Always check the timing belts!

Postby thrasherg » Mon Nov 12, 2012 2:00 pm

As stated, change the belts, like all rubber articles it has a limited lifetime and 15 years is really pushing it. If the belts break, your repair bill will be in the thousands of dollars, It's winter, now is the perfect time to have a winter project (Change the timing belts). As you are asking, i suspect you already know the answer!! :D So yes, change the belts and then enjoy the next 10 years until you have to do it again..

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Re: Always check the timing belts!

Postby vtxcandyred » Mon Nov 12, 2012 4:51 pm

For forty bucks I change them every two years. Cheap insurance. I doubt the dealer will bone up with any bucks. They did the front end repair not the engine part of it UNLESS there was damage to that area and if there was then they should be held accountable. No excuse if so. Good luck with the ride. Looks pretty good. I stepped up to the 1500 a couple years ago and love it.

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Re: Always check the timing belts!

Postby Scanjo » Mon Nov 12, 2012 10:44 pm

The biggest problem with timing belts is there is NO way that I have ever heard of to tell if a belt is going to fail. It may look perfect and break the next day. Always use quality belts. I use Gates and nothing else. I can't swear to it but I have been told that Honda uses Gates as well. My brother is a mechanic and that's what he recommends.

With an engine that has clearance, meaning no matter where the cam stops the pistons will still clear the valves, then it's not a big deal. Run em till they break and then fix em. With a zero clearance engine (all Goldwings), if the belt breaks then you bend valves and damage pistons. If you're really unlucky it's worse...but you can count on valves and pistons.

If you're doing the work yourself, ALWAYS roll the engine 720 degrees (one full cycle) on the crankshaft by hand to be sure there is no problem before you even think of hitting the starter button. Go slow and if you feel anything that feels like it's binding, STOP. Roll it BACKWARDS so you can double check your timing marks and correct if needed.

As far as the tensioners go, just check that they roll smoothly, they're quiet, and there's no slop in them. If you're not sure then I would suggest taking them in to let your local Honda mechanic give his opinion. From what I hear they are usually ok.

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Re: Always check the timing belts!

Postby wiredgeorge » Fri Nov 16, 2012 5:41 pm

I am a dealer for K&L Supply and they sell the belts. Not sure where they source them but K&L is one of the largest parts wholesalers in the world and I buy carb kits and carb parts from them plus many of my shop supplies. Has anyone ever used K&L belts?
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Re: Always check the timing belts!

Postby amsoilguy » Fri Mar 01, 2013 5:10 pm

I was getting ready to order my timing belts through Amazon. I pulled up the Gates T275 and was curious so I entered my bike info and it came up "This product does not fit your 1988 Honda GL1500 Gold Wing". Many here have given that part # for the 1500 so I'm sure it's correct, but this made me hesitate. Has anyone else seen this on Amazon?

http://www.amazon.com/Gates-T275-Timing ... roduct_top
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Re: Always check the timing belts!

Postby uoba » Fri Mar 01, 2013 6:57 pm

Hi Allan!
I don't know why Amazon says it doesn't fit a 1988 model 1500. Someone will correct me if I'm wrong, but to my knowledge, all year model 1500 goldwings use two T275 timing belts. I have an 88 model and have had no problems at all with these. They fit perfectly.

Cheers!
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Re: Always check the timing belts!

Postby amsoilguy » Fri Mar 01, 2013 8:53 pm

Thanks for the confirmation uoba. The Amazon application info just gave me a slight doubt.

I will get them ordered!
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Re: Always check the timing belts!

Postby Captain422 » Fri Mar 01, 2013 11:31 pm

amsoilguy wrote:I was getting ready to order my timing belts through Amazon. I pulled up the Gates T275 and was curious so I entered my bike info and it came up "This product does not fit your 1988 Honda GL1500 Gold Wing". Many here have given that part # for the 1500 so I'm sure it's correct, but this made me hesitate. Has anyone else seen this on Amazon?

http://www.amazon.com/Gates-T275-Timing ... roduct_top


I have 1988 GL1500 and I replaced my belts with Gates T275 belts. They are an absolutely perfect fit. Buy them with confidence that they are the correct belt for your bike. It is cheap peace of mind.

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Re: Always check the timing belts!

Postby paulr » Sat Mar 02, 2013 5:32 am

uoba wrote:Hi Allan!
I don't know why Amazon says it doesn't fit a 1988 model 1500. Someone will correct me if I'm wrong, but to my knowledge, all year model 1500 goldwings use two T275 timing belts. I have an 88 model and have had no problems at all with these. They fit perfectly.Cheers!
uoba


Hello from SHEFFIELD/YORKSHIRE....had to say that :D ...i bought a pair of new GL1500 timing belts off e-bay/UK last year for around £37.00 and fitted them myself to my 91 Interstate...they fit perfectly,no probs at all..the ones in the link are made by Gates...
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Honda-Goldwin ... 2a29c6b4e6

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Re: Always check the timing belts!

Postby Big Blue UK » Sat Mar 02, 2013 8:04 pm

paulr wrote:Hello from SHEFFIELD/YORKSHIRE....had to say that :D ...i bought a pair of new GL1500 timing belts off e-bay/UK last year for around £37.00 and fitted them myself to my 91 Interstate...they fit perfectly,no probs at all..the ones in the link are made by Gates...
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Honda-Goldwin ... 2a29c6b4e6


I went to pick up a pair Gates Powergrip from that seller a few weeks ago, he is sound. I bought the Wing in Jan, I changed the belts today due to no belt history. 55k, the covers had been off before, the belts were genuine Honda, one belt was rather slack, when I loosened the tensioner it dropped at least 5mm, . Only had to move each tensioner a mm or two from fully open to tension the new belts. Wonder if the old belts were originals, is it possible.
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Re: Always check the timing belts!

Postby vtxcandyred » Mon Mar 04, 2013 3:45 pm

amsoilguy wrote:I was getting ready to order my timing belts through Amazon. I pulled up the Gates T275 and was curious so I entered my bike info and it came up "This product does not fit your 1988 Honda GL1500 Gold Wing". Many here have given that part # for the 1500 so I'm sure it's correct, but this made me hesitate. Has anyone else seen this on Amazon?

http://www.amazon.com/Gates-T275-Timing ... roduct_top

Go to Amazon and type in timing belts 1988 goldwing and the t275 will populate on the bottom.

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Re: Always check the timing belts!

Postby amsoilguy » Mon Mar 04, 2013 6:06 pm

Thanks everyone...belts are on their way!


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