Fuel Draining When Starting 1st time in Cold Weather


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Fuel Draining When Starting 1st time in Cold Weather

Postby rjones1660 » Mon Dec 17, 2012 4:08 am



I have a 1995 GL1500 SE, when I bought it had been stored for 5 years without any storage preperation. Fuel tank was rusty, had to replace most all hoses, except for radiator, had carbs rebuilt etc.

Problem; Rode it for about 1500 miles before this problem showed up. In cold weather, here in Atlanta, 38 to 50 degrees when I start the engine with full choke on there is a stream of fuel flowing from one of the tubes at the bottom of the engine. At times there is a blueish smoke from the exhaust while engine is warming up. If I allow it to run for one or two minutes cut it off and allow it to sit for four or five minutes and re-start it without using the choke no fuel flow from the drain line at the bottom of the engine in noted. Engine seems to run fine otherwise.
I would appreciate any advice concerning this problem - thanks

Bob Jones

PS engine has 29,980 miles on it.



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Re: Fuel Draining When Starting 1st time in Cold Weather

Postby virgilmobile » Mon Dec 17, 2012 7:46 am

Every flooding carb I've ever had was a sticking float/valve.
You could run some sea foam or re-do the carbs again.

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Re: Fuel Draining When Starting 1st time in Cold Weather

Postby Sidcar » Mon Dec 17, 2012 9:42 am

How well did you clean out the tank? It could be you have some muck on one of the float chamber needle valves even though you have an inline filter, which I assume you've changed.
My wing stood for 10 years and the inside of the tank was terrible. I fitted another tank but it's not a job I'd like to do again.
If Seafoam doesn't cure it I think you need to clean out the carbs again.

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Re: Fuel Draining When Starting 1st time in Cold Weather

Postby rjones1660 » Mon Dec 17, 2012 10:12 am

Thank you Sid.
I am using Seafoam now. Do you know of another product that might work to clean the valves? If not guess I'll have to get the carbs cleaned again. The fuel filter was replaced.

Thanks again

bob

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Re: Fuel Draining When Starting 1st time in Cold Weather

Postby Sidcar » Mon Dec 17, 2012 2:07 pm

I don't know if it's available in the USA but Forte Gas Treatment is very good.
However I had to clean my carbs out twice before they were right and my tank is like new inside.
Good luck.

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Re: Fuel Draining When Starting 1st time in Cold Weather

Postby rjones1660 » Mon Dec 17, 2012 6:04 pm

Sid have you ever heard of B-12 Chemtool Total Fuel System Clean-up?
A fellow at Car Quest recommended it, but I am not certain if I want to try it or not.

Thanks
Bob

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Re: Fuel Draining When Starting 1st time in Cold Weather

Postby Sidcar » Mon Dec 17, 2012 6:40 pm

I've not seen it over here.
Are you doing your own repairs or do you take it to a garage?
If your paying someone then the additive "might" save you some money but if your DIY then I'd bight the bullet and strip the carbs again. Hopefully then it will be job done and you can get on with more important things like riding the bike.


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Re: Fuel Draining When Starting 1st time in Cold Weather

Postby rjones1660 » Mon Dec 17, 2012 6:58 pm

I had a shop make the repairs, I am 81 and just not up to all that work. I looked up B-12 Chemtool on the net and it looks like a pretty good product so I'll give it a try before I spend more big bucks cleaning the carbs.

Check out their website at: www.berrymanprocuts.com you might find their products useful in the future.

Where you located Sid? I am in Atlanta, Georgia

Thanks again,
Bob

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Re: Fuel Draining When Starting 1st time in Cold Weather

Postby Sidcar » Mon Dec 17, 2012 7:06 pm

I'm in North Oxfordshire, UK. I'm an almost retired motor mechanic so I can do my own repairs.

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Re: Fuel Draining When Starting 1st time in Cold Weather

Postby virgilmobile » Tue Dec 18, 2012 8:17 am

If a shop did the repairs...Do they have a warranty?????

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Re: Fuel Draining When Starting 1st time in Cold Weather

Postby rjones1660 » Tue Dec 18, 2012 9:34 am

The owner is a friend of mine and did the repair work for me at a very good price, guess that could or could not ge a good deal if I have carb problems. I'll let you know if the B-12 works or not.

MERRY CHIRISTMAS

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Re: Fuel Draining When Starting 1st time in Cold Weather

Postby newday777 » Fri Dec 21, 2012 7:48 am

Bob
If the tank has not been cleaned of the rust, read the how to article on cleaning your gas tank by electrolysis.
Do that cleaning then change the gas filter(Napa 3003 @$5) as any treatment put in a rusty tank will loosen the rust and get in the carbs. If tapping on the carbs doesn't clear the blockage then they will need cleaning again.

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Re: Fuel Draining When Starting 1st time in Cold Weather

Postby JoseF » Fri Dec 28, 2012 5:33 pm

Limpia el carburador y con una pintura EPOSI viértela en el interior del deposito, sigue las instrucciones de la pintura y problema solucionado.

EX-8151 Resistencia química E-01 - 17,10€
E-1531 Resistencia química E-0,200 - 6,80€

Los precios son de julio de 2012

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Re: Fuel Draining When Starting 1st time in Cold Weather

Postby redial » Sun Dec 30, 2012 9:20 am

Clean the carburetor and paint with a URETHANE pour in the interior of the tank, follow the instructions on the paint and problem solved.

EX-8151 chemical resistance E-01 - 17.10 €
E-1531 chemical resistance and-0,200 - 6.80 €

Prices are from july 2012

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One Euro = approx US$1.32. Thank Google for the translation, for those of us that dont speak or read Spanish.
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Re: Fuel Draining When Starting 1st time in Cold Weather

Postby newday777 » Sun Dec 30, 2012 10:08 am

Jose

There are many posts that kreem type tank sealers(paint? ) clog the pickup screens.
You only need to clean the tank by electrolysis, drain, dry, then fog the tank with a light oil to prevent flash rust. Then keep the tank full. Tanks left partly empty for long periods area breeding grounds for rust as the water that is present in petrol station tanks gets pumped into our tanks when we buy it. Best way to prevent rust is keep the tank full.

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Re: Fuel Draining When Starting 1st time in Cold Weather

Postby JoseF » Sun Dec 30, 2012 10:13 am

redial wrote:
Clean the carburetor and paint with a URETHANE (EPOSI) our in the interior of the tank, follow the instructions on the paint and problem solved.

EX-8151 chemical resistance E-01 - 17.10 €
E-1531 chemical resistance and-0,200 - 6.80 €
E-1531 chemical resistance E-0,200 - 6.80 €

Prices are from july 2012

Greetings
Jose


One Euro = approx US$1.32. Thank Google for the translation, for those of us that dont speak or read Spanish.


Gracias redial
Thanks redial.

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Re: Fuel Draining When Starting 1st time in Cold Weather

Postby JoseF » Sun Dec 30, 2012 10:29 am

newday777 wrote:Jose

There are many posts that kreem type tank sealers(paint? ) clog the pickup screens.
You only need to clean the tank by electrolysis, drain, dry, then fog the tank with a light oil to prevent flash rust. Then keep the tank full. Tanks left partly empty for long periods area breeding grounds for rust as the water that is present in petrol station tanks gets pumped into our tanks when we buy it. Best way to prevent rust is keep the tank full.



Hola Newday777. Estoy totalmente de acuerdo contigo de que la mejor manera de prevenir la oxidación es dejar el tanque lleno. Pero... si ya esta oxidado lo mejor es el tratamiento con EPOSI que recomiendo por experiencia propia en un depósito de un Seat 600 de 1969 recien restaurado, por supuesto previa limpieza con agua y arena de río.

Con todo lo demás que se haga vuelva a aparecer el óxido.

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Re: Fuel Draining When Starting 1st time in Cold Weather

Postby redial » Sun Dec 30, 2012 6:05 pm

Hello Newday777. I totally agree with you that the best way to prevent the oxidation is to leave the tank full. But ... if it is already oxidized is the best treatment with URETHANE (EPOSI) that i recommend from my own experience in a tank of a Seat 600 1969 newly restored, of course after cleaning with water and river sand.

With everything else that is then re-appear the rust.


Once again, thanks to Google translator.


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