Does your 1500 crank with the kill switch off?


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Does your 1500 crank with the kill switch in the off postion???

Poll ended at Wed Mar 27, 2013 8:37 am

88-89 no crank
1
1%
88-89 crank
20
19%
90-93 no crank
6
6%
90-93 crank
21
20%
94-96 no crank
4
4%
94-96 crank
29
27%
97-98 no crank
8
7%
97-98 crank
3
3%
99-2000 no crank
14
13%
99-2000 crank
1
1%
 
Total votes: 107

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Does your 1500 crank with the kill switch off?

Postby RBGERSON » Sat Jan 26, 2013 8:37 am



I am am getting different answers..so lets do a poll.

Please go out to your bike put the kill switch in the off position and push the starter button..does it turn over or not..(crank or no crank)???


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Re: Does your 1500 crank with the kill switch in the off pos

Postby RBGERSON » Sat Jan 26, 2013 12:59 pm

I am running the same poll on another site..a responder said that in 97 Honda changed the kill switch set up so that the starter will not turn the engine over when the kill switch is in the off position..new info for me.

Let's see if the poll bears that out!
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Re: Does your 1500 crank with the kill switch in the off pos

Postby RoadRogue » Sat Jan 26, 2013 3:05 pm

I just went out and tested my 97SE for you and it DID crank. 8-)
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Re: Does your 1500 crank with the kill switch in the off pos

Postby robb » Sat Jan 26, 2013 9:17 pm

My 89 will turn over but not crank until switch is in the ON position.

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Re: Does your 1500 crank with the kill switch in the off pos

Postby RoadRogue » Sun Jan 27, 2013 2:18 am

Just to be perfectly clear here. Cranking means starter turns the engine over with the kill switch off. Of course it wont fire, we just want to know if it turns the engine (crank shaft) over. 8-)
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Re: Does your 1500 crank with the kill switch in the off pos

Postby robb » Sun Jan 27, 2013 9:11 pm

Honda designed it to that way.

Page 35 of Owners Manual, a safety or emergency switch to disable the ignition.

Read page 64 of owners manual.
Flooded Engine: If the engine fails to start after repeated attempts, it may be flooded with excess fuel. To clear a flooded engine,turn the engine stop switch OFF and push the choke lever up to Fully Closed. Open the throttle fully and crank the engine for 5 seconds. Wait 10 seconds, then turn the engine stop switch ON and follow the "High Air Temperature" Starting Procedure (page 63)

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Re: Does your 1500 crank with the kill switch in the off pos

Postby WingAdmin » Tue Jan 29, 2013 11:47 pm

My 2000 does NOT crank with the kill switch off. That said, looking at the schematics in the ETM AND the service manual for the 2000 bike, it SHOULD crank with the kill switch off. So...either my bike is wrong, or the circuits in the manuals are wrong.

My owners manual also states:

If the engine fails to start after repeated attempts. it may be flooded with excess fuel. To clear a flooded engine:
I. Tum the engine stop switch OFF.
2. Push the choke lever up all the way to OFF.
3. Open the throttle fully.
4. Press the start/reverse button for 5 seconds.
5. Wait 10 seconds, then tum the engine stop switch to RUN.

So that's three manuals that say that it should crank with the switch off. I'm going to check my bike.

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Re: Does your 1500 crank with the kill switch in the off pos

Postby RBGERSON » Wed Jan 30, 2013 8:03 am

Yep, this is getting more confusing as we go..maybe the guys at the factory were having fun..every other bike they switch the wiring??? look at the poll every year some of each..wish more people would try a it and post.
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Re: Does your 1500 crank with the kill switch in the off pos

Postby robb » Wed Jan 30, 2013 9:12 am

I think the question was ask incorrectly, appears confusing since crank generally means to run. It should have been ask, with the switch on, kill switch off, does the engine turn over when the start button is pressed.

The electrical system on a wing is so complex that if the system was not initally powered it would be nearly impossible to track down a problem. The kill switch only kills power to coils while allowing all other major components in a ready mode. If not for the reversing system the bike would have likely powered the coils and and activated starter with kill switch. I ask a few questions to local dealer and was ask if I had read the Owners Manual since it could explain much better. It did.

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Re: Does your 1500 crank with the kill switch in the off pos

Postby virgilmobile » Wed Jan 30, 2013 10:10 am

[quote="robb"] The kill switch only kills power to coils while allowing all other major components in a ready mode.
By the "book", this is correct.but there a hitch.

****At the kill switch,there is a wire that jumps over to the start button.It does not exit the button assembly to a harness****

As I see the schematic,it indicates that the operator should be able to "crank" the engine with the kill switch in the off position as it should kill power only to the ignition and cruise system.

If the 2 wires that exit the controls are reversed then the start button would not have 12 volts on it to operate the start relay if the kill switch were turned off.

I can also surmise that if your bike will crank with the kill switch in the off position,it will also be able to operate the reverse system,where the other way will not.

I'll test this when I get to my bike tonight.

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Re: Does your 1500 crank with the kill switch in the off pos

Postby RBGERSON » Wed Jan 30, 2013 5:52 pm

SOUNDS GOOD..PICS OF WHAT switch might help..me
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Re: Does your 1500 crank with the kill switch in the off pos

Postby robb » Thu Jan 31, 2013 12:05 am

Reversing the 2 wire should have no affect since the kill switch only interrupts the wire, just like a light switch in your home.

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Re: Does your 1500 crank with the kill switch in the off pos

Postby virgilmobile » Thu Jan 31, 2013 12:34 am

robb wrote:Reversing the 2 wire should have no affect since the kill switch only interrupts the wire, just like a light switch in your home.


I would agree, but If you look at the schematic above,you'll see that one contact of the kill switch (12volts) has 2 connections.One to the kill switch and a jumper to the start button.This wire provides power to the start switch regardless of the kill switch position.

By the way....My 88 will crank the engine regardless of the kill switch position( as it should)
However I cannot operate the reverse system with the kill switch off.It removes power from the.cruise and reverse circuit and the reverse light goes off.

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Re: Does your 1500 crank with the kill switch in the off pos

Postby robb » Thu Jan 31, 2013 10:43 am

In the service manual look at page 19-2 for full start schematic. Start switch powers the reverse safety relay, if bike is in reverse the path to ground will not pass reverse relay and bike will not start.

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Re: Does your 1500 crank with the kill switch off?

Postby exavid » Fri Feb 01, 2013 1:31 am

To narrow this down it's either the 97 or 98 that has different wiring. The kill switch disables the starter beginning one of those two years. Honda seems to have done that on several bikes, my '03 -Silverwing won't crank with the kill switch set to kill and my '01 1800 won't either. I preferred the way the older bikes were wired. It's handy to set the kill switch to kill and be able to crank the engine to do compression checks.

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Re: Does your 1500 crank with the kill switch off?

Postby Jluvs2dive » Fri Feb 01, 2013 2:15 am

exavid wrote:To narrow this down it's either the 97 or 98 that has different wiring. The kill switch disables the starter beginning one of those two years. Honda seems to have done that on several bikes, my '03 -Silverwing won't crank with the kill switch set to kill and my '01 1800 won't either. I preferred the way the older bikes were wired. It's handy to set the kill switch to kill and be able to crank the engine to do compression checks.


Yep, I can confirm the 2000SE's do not crank with the kill switch off. I have checked 3 of them. I have a friend with a 98 Aspencade and his does not crank with the kill switch off either.

John

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Re: Does your 1500 crank with the kill switch off?

Postby liquineer » Fri Feb 01, 2013 6:33 am

My 88 does crank with the kill switch set to off.
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Re: Does your 1500 crank with the kill switch off?

Postby lexander24 » Fri Feb 01, 2013 7:13 am

MMy 99 SE does not crank with the kill switch in the off .

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Re: Does your 1500 crank with the kill switch off?

Postby benrb1 » Fri Feb 01, 2013 7:32 am

I have a 1998 SE, and it does not crank with the kill switch off. However, I wanted to point out a problem with your survey. You have the 1998 year in two categories: 1997-98 and 1998-2000. Just thought I would point that out. You all have a great day.

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Re: Does your 1500 crank with the kill switch off?

Postby Ray Aube » Fri Feb 01, 2013 7:55 am

2000 SE does not crank with kill switch on.

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Re: Does your 1500 crank with the kill switch off?

Postby bob123456 » Fri Feb 01, 2013 7:58 am

My 1999 Gl1500 DOES NOT crank with the kill switch off.

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Re: Does your 1500 crank with the kill switch off?

Postby leahume » Fri Feb 01, 2013 8:18 am

1993 Aspencade - Yes it cranks.

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Re: Does your 1500 crank with the kill switch off?

Postby ghostvet » Fri Feb 01, 2013 8:22 am

'97SE. Does NOT crank.

In fact, more than once I have hit START and got that split second moment of panic when nothing happened, not even a click. Relief is great when I look at my kill switch, turn it on, and the bike starts up beautifully.

My understanding is, mother Honda changed the kill switch setup beginning with the '97.

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Re: Does your 1500 crank with the kill switch off?

Postby buddahmann » Fri Feb 01, 2013 8:40 am

my 1996 interstate DOEScrank with the handlebar switch in any of the 3 posi. (off~on~off)

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Re: Does your 1500 crank with the kill switch off?

Postby mstrong60 » Fri Feb 01, 2013 8:52 am

I have a 95 1500. Yes, it cranks when the kill switch is off.




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